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Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by fermigier on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @02:01PM (#9493936)
This is a huge setback, both for democracy and for the french tech ecosystem.

While the most preeminent french hosting and cloud providers (OVH, Online, Gandi, Alter Way...) have been quite vocal about the issue, none of the big french telcos (Orange, SFR, Bouygues) have said a single word about it. Shame on them!

900 tech companies, research organisations, and trade associations (so far) have asked the government to reconsider the law proposal (http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/en/), with not success, obviously. Several organisations I'm part of (including the two companies I have founded) where part of the movement, of course.

There is still some hope that the law will be modified, by the french Senate, or that it will be censored by the french Constitutional Council, or the European Court of Human Rights.

We also plan to start evangelising people on the use of VPNs.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by malka on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @02:12PM (#9493986)
I plan to use VPN in area that are NOT friendly with the OTAN, such as Russia.

I'd rather have Putin spy on me, than my own governement, or its allies. He has far less influence over my life, and I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by lloeki on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @02:40PM (#9494144)
> I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating

I wouldn't be so sure, as France and Russia have a long, special history of diplomatic ties, dating as far back as when both were among the most influential countries of the Old World.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by aikah on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @08:04PM (#9495808)
That's hardly the case anymore. Hollande clearly made the choice of being an atlantist. Whatever was left of the Russian/French cooperation it's gone.
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by lttlrck on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @08:14PM (#9495856)
such relationships extend and survive far beyond the short term of any sitting President or Prime Minister.
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by aikah on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @09:22PM (#9496075)
I don't think so, especially when they are that damaged.
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by drzaiusapelord on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @03:19PM (#9494355)
>and I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating.

You guys build warships for Putin's war machine which is murdering civilians in Ukraine, something the French knew they were going to empower someday with arms like these. You don't buy helicarriers for defense, you buy them to easily attack your neighbors. Ties between these two nations go back hundreds of years. I would absolutely not assume the FSB and DGSE/DGSI aren't talking. I would assume they are bosom buddies.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by meric on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @07:19PM (#9495608)
Do you have a source for heli-carrier being deployed in Ukraine?
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by brohee on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @08:52PM (#9495986)
He doesn't, because France is not delivering the Mistrals as part of the sanctions on Russia.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russia-to-order-french-m...

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by drzaiusapelord on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @09:38AM (#9498454)
I didnt say they were. My argument is that the French enable the Russian war machine. Just because these things aren't being used in the current conflict doens't mean they won't be used on Russia's neighbors in the future.

Countries with militaries that enable each other have tight intel relationships. This French/Russia rivalry is non-existant.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by aikah on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @08:06PM (#9495813)
Ukrainians don't need the Russians to screw each others.Their oligarchs have been doing that for decades. The only thing that changes today is who is financing that corrupt nomenclature. The truth hurts.
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by mirimir on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @04:15AM (#9497201)
Better yet is to use multiple VPN services in nested chains, jumping among non-cooperating jurisdictions. It's easy to do, using pfSense VMs as VPN gateways.
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by chopin on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @04:25AM (#9497229)
I'd be interested in a more reputable one as well. As in not injecting malware nilly-willy into my traffic. I'd appreciate if you could name some.

I think we are between a rock and a hard place here. I'd be willing to use a VPN in a non-cooperating country to evade state surveillance, but it is hard to make sure that you don't fall prey to non-state (or even maybe state) actors.

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by DyslexicAtheist on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @03:16PM (#9494338)
my company is also registered here doing business mainly with mentioned Telcos.

One thing which I'm wondering is how can this go ahead if they want to stay aligned with EU regulation. Wouldn't such a move automatically violate the "Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC" ? [0]

If this moves forward I'll move the company to Germany because giving any more tax-Euros to such a government would feel like supporting a Stasi like apparatus. Also if this gets implemented then good luck for the future when Marie Le Pen's far right government gains further power in this economy (and they will because France is doing too little too late to recover from the mess they're in).

Also the standardization body (ETSI) which does a lot of the global technical specs (3gpp) for mobile and M2M is keeping quiet on the topic of building privacy into the standards. I have brought up the lack of privacy focus in several work groups but somehow this is not a topic that gets addressed at all. Mentioned chairmen are of course deeply ingrained in the telco industry which again is in bed with government. And from a sales/marketing perspective it's easier to build/sell features such as Lawful Interception (LI) or Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) rather than a product which refuses to do something (such as pass on private data)

The Charlie Hebdo team would turn in their graves if they'd know what kind of aftermath their deaths caused. It makes me sick beyond words.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by Lutrinae on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @04:05PM (#9494621)
At least from the article, it sounds like the current Charlie Hebdo team is also opposed to it...
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by pgeorgi on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @03:28PM (#9494405)
Why would ETSI endanger its mission by making privacy a priority? http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/201600_201699/201671/01.... ("Handover interface for the lawful interception of telecommunications traffic")
Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by fweespeech on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @02:04PM (#9493945)
http://www.iliad.fr/en/

Online.NET is a big TelCo as well fyi. They own http://mobile.free.fr/ etc.

But yeah, I've dropped my OVH/Online.net servers in favor of more Hetzner nodes with the exception of their S3 competitors [I just can't find any equivalent price/performance/availability]. That and I front end the S3 competitors anyway via a CDN over https which I think is fine with this legal framework [it just sniffs unencrypted traffic iirc]

If you are making that kind of switch and are looking for bootstrapping automation for bare metal nodes at Hetzner:

https://github.com/asconix/hetzner-bootstrap-coreos

https://github.com/rmoriz/hetzner-bootstrap

https://github.com/leitmedium/hetzner-bootstrap

https://github.com/RedMoonStudios/hetzner

Re:Lawmakers in France Move to Vastly Expand Surveillance by throwaway41597 on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @03:22PM (#9494376)
The part about black boxes (L851-4) expires on December 31st, 2018. So if companies complain enough by then, there is also hope that it won't be renewed. But it'd be better for the courts to reject it like you said.