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Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by wodenokoto on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:07AM (#9457964)
More over, isn't this just a manual? I mean, for most normal situations, the pilots know what to do, so even if the backup also died, chances are pretty good that they would land without problems, I imagine.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by ams6110 on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:16AM (#9458024)
There are so many possible scenarios that are encountered in flight that there is no way to have them all memorized. There are certain "memory items" that a pilot must know, but many procedures for dealing with both routine and emergency problems require the non-flying pilot to pull out a quick-reference handbook or checklist to be sure everything is done in the proper order and nothing is overlooked. Even routine departures and landings follow a checklist.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by Someone1234 on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @10:20AM (#9458400)
A lot of newer aircraft have built in checklists now[0]. For a bunch of reasons (e.g. safety, automatic double-checking, and expedience).

Yes, it would be non-optimal if an aircraft had an issue without a handbook, but assuming that communications haven't been lost, someone on the ground can easily read out items.

[0] http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2006/april/i_ca...

Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by cnvogel on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @01:35PM (#9460056)
...so what's the checklist to mitigate the situation "the monitor which normally displays the checklist on this airplane failed"... :-)
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by VLM on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:23AM (#9458056)
Maps too, from what I hear. The problem is scalability. If no one carried maps, everyone would have to talk verbally and take notes with ATC for five minutes for every landing to make sure nothing had changed.

If only a couple planes pester ATC then the system will keep up. It would be safe enough. What are the odds of an inflight emergency requiring a diversion at any instant? Pretty low. So if it happened to one plane they'd figure it out verbally. However requiring all ATC and all pilots to talk over all maps at all landings isn't scalable.

Something similar happens with manuals. One plane loses a system and its ipad, you call home on the radio or satphone or contact a fellow pilot on 123.45 MHz or call ATC for help. This doesn't scale to every plane in the air at the same time for every mostly minor maintenance writeup. Maybe you can ignore error messages this flight, after all most measurable things are not important, just like in business. Or maybe engine code 3141Z.kjdf.subsection2 means the engine is about to explode on the wing, but you've got no manuals...

Something often overlooked is megacorp analysis paralysis. You'll be formally written up if you don't file an engine operation temperature profile thingy form or some meaningless catering receipts or whatever according to boring corporate policy, and it will be brought up at your annual performance review, affect your promotion chances, etc. This scales pretty well when one ipad breaks and you use the copilots ipad or call your boss and argue and he issues you an indulgence or the boss takes dictation of the form for you or you refuse to fly (its only one flight after all). This doesn't scale well when every ipad in a company stops working.

Personally, if I were in a plane over water and I lost all my papers out the window, no fuel estimates, no weight and balance, no maps, no flight plan, no list of obstacles, no nav plan, no notes, nothing at all, I'd probably panic and head for the closest coastal airport (and where is that, without any docs?) If one plane does this, it scales VERY well. ATC calms you down, vectors you in, gives you some geographical advice, and you land. If every plane in the air does this simultaneously, you'll overload ATC and probably get someone killed.

This applies everywhere to all industries not just planes.

Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:52AM (#9458224)
> If every plane in the air does this simultaneously, you'll overload ATC and probably get someone killed.

We've already had a test run for this, and it worked fine. 9/11 involved exactly that scenario - every flight in or heading to the US had to make for the nearest airport and land immediately.

Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by scott00 on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @10:02AM (#9458282)
But those planes all had access to their charts and weren't reliant on ATC for navigation.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by phdp on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:41AM (#9458163)
Charts, not maps ;)
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by innguest on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @11:47AM (#9459155)
You got me curious. Can you explain?

Etymologically there's no good word for map (mappa meant napkin, charta meant a sheet of paper) but 'tabula' was used in Classical times.

Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by jsmthrowaway on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#9459969)
http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/learn_diff_map_chart....

Aeronautical charts extrapolate from this because being in command of an aircraft is really just commanding a different kind of vessel. Port, starboard, manifest, fix, captain, first officer, and hull are all valid aviation terms, for example, with roots in the sea. A chart is not a map.

Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by innguest on Thursday April 30, 2015 @04:50PM (#9467560)
Thank you! I'd have trouble explaining to someone what the precise difference is but now I can wear my consequentialist hat and explain that they are different because they are used differently.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by k-mcgrady on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:08AM (#9457975)
I thought it was the flight plan.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by rpmcb on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @09:17AM (#9458026)
The flight plan is programmed into the airplane's avionics, as well as on a printed hard copy in the cockpit. The app is supplemental. It can not be used as a primary navigation reference, per FAA regulations.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by blktiger on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @11:41AM (#9459098)
It sounded to me like the pilot's couldn't input the flight plans into the cockpit avionics because they didn't have a paper copy of the flight plan.
Re:Some American Airlines planes are grounded because the pi... by rpmcb on Wednesday April 29, 2015 @12:41PM (#9459566)
A flight plan and a procedure are very different things. Every commercial flight in America has a hard copy of their flight plan in the cockpit.