> I like the naming and feeling of "Pre-Pooping Your Pants" pattern. We are doing the intentional leak only to be (hopefully) collected later, which may not happen but it still remains memory-safe even in that case. Still this is not very desirable and the name clearly indicates so.
Not all hacks are bad. But, if I see "// this is a hack to..." or "# this is a hack to..." or similar in code, that is a signal to me that the developer (1) either didn't have time to perform the right thing but could have with more time (within their lifetime), or (2) could not feasibly perform the right thing under constraints given (within their lifetime).
Over the past ~8 years, "hack"'s use has switched back to a much more positive sense- possibly because of HN, or possibly because people read Eric Raymond http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html, but "hack" != "hacker". The negative sense is still used and understood by most developers, and it comes from two things: "HACK... HACK... HACK...", like the sound of an ax attempting to chop down a tree (brute force), and the other definition of a hack not used as much these days, which is "work for hire especially with mediocre professional standards".
I think we should at least consider PPYP to be a subclass of "hack", or perhaps just use the word "hack" instead of PPYP.
Sometime programming can be boring and then you come across PPYP and it makes it fun again.
How am I going to show this to my boss, and have him take it seriously with such an infantile title?
EDIT: I do not want to argue with Dewey2, so I'm putting this here: the women in the rust community that feel uncomfortable when they are addressed as "guys" have every right to feel that way, and I commend the rust community on making that stand.
"Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them."
Your Dewie account was banned; this account is currently at -5.
I'm not a victim by any means, and I'm sometimes an asshole. But maybe you should stop taking Karma at face value and stop believing that this community is beyond reproach. If you want to go through my history - which on this account is quite short - at least do it better.
[1] And your profile says nothing about you being a mod.
Your current posting style didn't work for your last account. It doesn't seem to be working for this account.
> and I'm sometimes an asshole.
Do you think this is working for you?
Yes, I was an asshole on my "Dewie" account, and recently on Dewie2 as well. But go over the posts I presented again - was I really being an asshole? Or did I just have opinions and priorities that people were in such disagreement with that they chose to use the "I don't like this - Downvote!"-artillery? Come on. At least address my specific points when I go to the trouble of typing them out. Instead of just playing Dr. Phil.
> It doesn't seem to be working for this account.
Yes. Thanks for underlining that for the powers that be. Well, it's not like I was hiding so who am I to complain.
> Do you think this is working for you?
Clearly, my problem is being a glutton for punishment in that I keep coming back to this poisonous community. :) It's not like the assholes on this forum are helping me be less of an asshole. (And no, you're not one of the assholes, just speaking of a subset here.)
I guess it is if you're oversensitive to everything that might be construed as sexist, through any historical, cultural etc. link. Like some people are oversensitive about bodily functions.
Besides, some groups of people might be put off by such crass analogies. You don't want to exclude those people, do you Ygg2?
Usage of "guys" makes many women feel they don't belong. It perpetuates ideas about programming being a boys club that shouldn't exist.
Poop jokes might make some people uncomfortable, but they're not as harmful as "guys".
Plus, if you read kibwen's comment below that, it's not something that's considered a serious offence, but you will be asked to stop. The same would probably go for excessive poop jokes in IRC or whatever.
(Also, it's an unofficial blog post. Not the same standards. There wouldn't be poop jokes on an official blog post, and there wouldn't be much of a ruckus if someone used "guys" in an unofficial one)
I've also heard people say things like "hey up A" where A is in
["guys and gals", "guys and girls", "everyone", "mothafuckas", "nerds", "friends", "all you", "people", etc.]
Coming form a very formal understanding of language, I can see how it could be taken as a reference to only the men, but coming from my practical experience, "guys" has been used as a gender neutral way of referencing a group without issue.
Now that I think of it, this really is a context sensitive issue. For example, saying "hi guys" to a group of 100 with only one or two women in it might give some listeners the impression that there are no women, thus perpetuating the "boys club" view, whereas saying "hi guys" to an evenly mixed group might not give the listeners that impression.
Language is hard yo.
That's sort of the problem here. We're so used to it that we forget that it might not mean the same thing to others.
Carefree? Mostly. Non-sensitive? Pretty much the opposite. Rust community is extremely sensitive. The rules are lax, but they draw the line at making contributors uncomfortable.
In IRC, the poop jokes and calling people guys, would have the same chance of drawing ire, which isn't huge. The whole "guys" thing is just a smidge more likely to draw ire. However if you are insistent on either accounts expect to get ostracized.
> I guess they don't feel like they belong in any part of mixed gender society then, since it is so widespread.
Well, yes. It's not like women make on average less than their male peers.
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Let me show an abriged version of what usually happens in IRC.
Anon: Hi guys,
Mod: We prefer the term guys and gals :)
Anon: Hi guys and gals*
Anonhole: Hi guys
Mod: We prefer the term guys and gals :)
Anonhole: I know.
Mod: We have a term of conduct, please read it.
Anonhole: I won't
Mod: *ban* AnonholeInsofar as you are representing the Rust community via HN, you've given an overwhelming impression that the Rust community is an unpleasant place where "outsiders" are totally unwelcome. As someone who considered adopting Rust prior to reading your post, that's a problem because with such an immature language I would eventually have to interact with that community and then I would apparently have to deal with people randomly nitpicking which dialect of English I learned and calling me an asshole. No thanks, life is too short.
Also you missed the point of that exchange, you are excluded from the Rust community, only if you act against Code of Conduct actively. The titular bad example was given a warning, he disregarded it several times and continued to behave against community wishes.
What do you expect happens once you act against what other members of the club urge you not to do? A single mistake/slip up isn't a problem. Repeated offense and disregard of CoC is.
Usually the custom is to greet each other with "Hi Rustaceans". It's gender neutral and has no negative connotation.
If this gives you impression of a treehouse filled with cultist, who am I to judge.
Re:IRC: You're conflating different things here. The IRC incedent was a sexual comment. Strict nono. "guys" is something that will be frowned upon. Sexual jokes are also a nono. Just today someone made a penis joke in IRC, and was similarly told to stop. Poop jokes -- childish, maybe, and certainly frowned on by some, but not considered harmful.
I don't see anything wrong with arbitrarily deciding. You're free to not play in the sandbox if you don't like the rules. The community likes those rules. And fwiw the rules don't disallow "guys". Again, you'll just be asked politely to not do that.
What I want is besides the point. It's a club. It has rules. I'm Ok with them.
I usually go with "Hi peeps!" (Yes, I imagine everyone on Rust IRC is a talking marshfellow).
I've also noticed that male genitalia are used to mean something positive (es la polla, tener cojones)
and female genitalia are generally used to be negative (un coñazo, coño)
Anyway, if Rust community did allow such transgressions, people would be up in arms because they are promoting Linus brand of verbal abuse...
It's like they say - you can't please everyone.
Probably the same way you would explain to your boss what KISS principle means or what WTF-metric for source code is :)
Illustration: https://davidlongstreet.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/wtfm.jpg...
And part of that is showing flaws, and how they're resolved/worked around and so on.
I don't think it's always the same people or that it has anything to do with Ruby itself, it just seems like there's a certain culture that first grew in the Ruby / Rails community.