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Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by staunch on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @04:40PM (#9423404)
YC has had the field to themselves for a decade because no other firm actually believes the best people are outside their personal networks.

Other VCs want to believe in "proprietary deal flow" and their own ability to worm into hot companies. Probably because it seems more a sure thing than, gasp, actually judging startups on their merits, like YC at least tries to do.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by kentonv on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @06:14PM (#9423929)
Well... maybe. Keep in mind that the way YC judges candidates involves spending almost no time evaluating any particular group, because they have so many to go through. Even those who get an interview only get 10 minutes to talk after which the interviewers spend 5 minutes making a decision before moving on to the next group -- and ~90% of those decisions are rejections. Since the interviewers don't actually have time to review the next team's application between interviews, much of the 10 minutes is spent introducing the idea and people from scratch.

It's an approach that has clearly worked very well for YC and you can't fault them for doing what works, but it's good that not everyone uses this approach since a lot of good ideas and good people would never get funded this way. It's also pretty costly for founders: each team spends hours or days putting together their application and potentially several days traveling to the interview (unless they're lucky enough to be in the bay area already), all for a few minutes of YC's time and a tiny chance of acceptance.

On the other hand, most VCs, if they're going to talk to you at all, will schedule a one-hour meeting, which they're happy to do over Skype if you aren't local. Meanwhile, getting an intro typically requires far less time investment on the part of the candidate compared to a YC-like application process (you just need someone to send a short email). But, yes, you have to get that intro, so if you don't have connections, it's a problem.

I don't think you can really say that either method is objectively more or less fair; they are simply different kinds of processes that have different kinds of bias and costs. I think it's important that YC exists as an opening for the large number of great teams who aren't well-connected, but I also think that if every VC worked like YC it would make fundraising much more costly for founders and a lot of great ideas and people that get funding today would not succeed under such a system.

Really, the best thing is for lots of VCs to be doing lots of different approaches, even if each one has biases.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by hdhdhshw on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @05:40PM (#9423756)
This is exactly the issue I find with a lot of venture capital firms. They're letting Ycombinator kill their deal flows because they're too stubborn to consider deals from outside their networks. It's a shame really. Some of these firms have the nerve to say Silicon Valley is merit based when they're simply just taking institutional capital and funding their rich boy network.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by applecore on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @05:48PM (#9423803)
The best entrepreneurs will always find a way into the networks of top-tier VCs.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by staunch on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @05:56PM (#9423846)
The most common way the best entrepreneurs find their way into their networks is by succeeding without their help. The old VC strategy of just waiting around to pick off the winners won't work so well these days.

The idea that the best entrepreneurs are good at things like personal networking, or ladder climbing, is clearly false.

One example: Elon Musk didn't have the "hustle" to talk to anyone in the Netscape lobby, when he marched in there to get a job. He nervously stood around for a while and then went home in quiet shame. That's Elon Musk before you knew him.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by applecore on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @08:32PM (#9424387)
Your anecdote mostly proves my point: Elon Musk marched into the lobby; everyone else stayed at home.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by proksoup on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @08:19PM (#9424356)
He's got more hustle than me --- I would have had the panic attack before I went out the door of my home to go the lobby.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by bbreier on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @05:57PM (#9423853)
As long as you define "best" as those who get funded by top-tier VCs, sure.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by hkailahi on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @06:09PM (#9423909)
What if you have it backwards? The top VC firms stay the top VC firms if they attract and fund the best entrepreneurs. The best entrepreneurs are the best entrepreneurs regardless of which VC networks they tap.

First Capital realizes this, and is making a move to capture the important opportunities they would miss out on otherwise.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by mbesto on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @06:34PM (#9424019)
> YC has had the field to themselves for a decade because no other firm actually believes the best people are outside their personal networks.

Unfortunately at scale YC operates today (~2,500+ submissions per batch) this is no longer true. It's simply too difficult to get through all of that noise without "knowing someone", and the exceptions to that rule are getting rarer every batch.

Source - ask any YC Alumni candidly.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by tlb on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @07:52PM (#9424276)
This is not the case. Most companies YC funds do not come with alumni recommendations. Which in a way is surprising -- with 2000+ alumni, it's not that hard to meet one.

Source - YC partner.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by mbesto on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @09:01PM (#9424463)
Hi tlb, thanks for your unique perspective! I didn't mean to imply that an actual alumni recommendation in the traditional sense was the norm, akin to perhaps a letter of recommendation for grad school. I admit, my comment "knowing someone" was quite ambiguous, so you probably thought that an official recommendation was what I implied.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by nwenzel on Thursday April 23, 2015 @01:30AM (#9425146)
Not true. At least not for this YC alum. I didn't know anybody. I learned about YC after stumbling across pg's essays. Decided to apply. Got an interview. I didnt even know there was an official notification day for application acceptance. Got accepted. No connections to anyone. Summer 2013.

Have a great idea, a great team, show some traction. Traction probably doesn't have to be revenue. Just find something that shows other people want what you're building. Great team means you're the best team for your idea. Not necessarily Ivy League school or Google/Facebook/Amazon employment.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by RoboTeddy on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @06:47PM (#9424072)
I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Applications definitely get judged on their merits. (Source: I'm a YC alum)
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by mbesto on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @07:46PM (#9424259)
I don't think your lying, but I have to ask you this...do you believe it's genuinely possible to decipher startups merits alone from just an application?
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by infinite8s on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @08:56PM (#9424453)
PG has often stated that thegdon't fund the idea, they fund the team (or person).
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by EGreg on Thursday April 23, 2015 @02:59AM (#9425309)
Sam Altman has told me specifically why they didn't fund us the myriad times we applied.

Our founder split made them worried / didn't fit with their thesis. That seemed to be the only thing, based on our back and forth.

So, keep in mind that YC is looking for something very particular. It does strongly suggest however that YC is very open to taking teams they don't know as long as they fit their official and unofficial criteria. They make a serious effort to be transparent but they are also oberworked and are pretty much a black box to most startups they reject. They surely were for us, I just got lucky to get an answer.

When we make an accelerator, it'll also be based on a certain way of doing things. But it'll be very different. We believe that standardized platforms make a huge difference - YC has one as do other accelerators. But we have an actual software platform on which others can build their apps. It would be as if FB ran an accelerator program to develop new businesses on top of the FB platform. Our program could have actual measurable metrics to determine who is funded further and who is not.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by solve on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @04:57PM (#9423496)
From that page:

> Should everyone apply to First Round through the OpenApp?

> No. The best way to reach us is still through a referral.

Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by staunch on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @05:09PM (#9423560)
The incumbents often see the future, but rarely update their fundamental viewpoint to match the new reality. It's the innovator's dilemma applied to VCs.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by jacquesm on Thursday April 23, 2015 @12:00AM (#9424943)
I agree partially, I think the biggest factor here is that YC evaluates a given startup/set of founders against the backdrop of the other founders and then simply picks the strongest according to the metrics they have developed. You don't have to pick the winners, you have to eliminate the duds.
Re:First Round Capital Open Application for Startups by harryh on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @09:23PM (#9424519)
Mostly only looking at startups with warm intros is a way of judging founders. If you can't figure out a way to get an introduction to a VC there are going to be a lot of things about running a company that you won't be able to figure out either.