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Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by digitalzombie on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @06:15AM (#9379941)
There's no proof that women are systematically targeted to be ousted from the tech field. I haven't seen any research papers with any clear evidence of this other than that there are more boys than girls in a particular field.

I'm sure there are other occupation with the same thing. There are too many Fillipino in Nurse career I don't see any body saying to diversify it. There are tons of Vietnamese in nails, my uncle and mother included. I don't see people saying that there should be other race within such jobs. You can argue that it's not a great jobs but what about nursing?

We can encourage more women and minority within a field which is fine. But to make it seems like a problem is a problem. Because of this people such as women will use this as an excuse. Look at the CEO of Reddit, she used this and sexism as an excuse.

So before we jump the gun and say such thing such as racist and sexist, we should carefully find the cause and not jump the gun. We do not know if this is intentional or an unintentional the consequences of culture.

I mean hell there's a lot of Asian going to university and a lot of less other color such as Black. Is it because Asian are racist against other races? No, it's culture and the Pew report for Asian Americans have backed this up. That Asian American parent believe an education is important.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by kaybe on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @07:41AM (#9380230)
https://www.nber.org/papers/w5903

Have a paper from 1997. It's about how after they changed to blind auditions, the number of women hired as orchestra musicians rose severalfold. I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by yummyfajitas on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @08:12AM (#9380380)
Most diversity activists in tech oppose bringing such approaches into tech on the grounds that it would reduce diversity. Ashe Dryden is the canonical cite:

http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/the-ethics-of-unpaid-labor-an...

In contrast, I think most of those who oppose the diversity activists (e.g. myself) strongly favor such approaches ("death by standardized brainteaser", hire by github, work sample tests).

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by hluska on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @09:12AM (#9380701)
I wanted to avoid replying to you. Our perspective is dramatically different and I am tired of arguing with people like you who 'oppose diversity activists'.

However, did you even read the article that you linked to?? Someone posted a link showing that if you blindfold people (so they just listen to how people play), you end up with more women in orchestras. The Ashe Dryden article is about how using open source contributions as a sole barometer of 'merit' leaves an awful lot of talented people out in the cold.

The only point where she mentions anything close to your point is when she says that many female developers use androgynous sounding names and won't put pictures of themselves online.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by yummyfajitas on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @09:24AM (#9380777)
I'm familiar with orchestral blind auditions and the effect they had (though not from the article, my mom is a classical musician). I favor using blind auditions to eliminate bias. I favor the same in tech.

My claim is that most activists in tech don't really believe that bias is the cause of underrepresentation here. As evidence for that, observe how few such activists actually favor purely meritocratic hiring.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by hluska on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @11:08AM (#9381436)
Once again, have you even read the article that you pointed to? If so, what do you think about her plan to remove open source contributions from the hiring mix? She suggests that when hiring, employers should:

a) Ask for code samples.

b) Pair as an interview.

c) Hire as a contractor before you make an offer of employment.

She does not dispute the existence of bias, rather she makes the point that valuing open source so heavily makes technology less of a meritocracy.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by yummyfajitas on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @11:44AM (#9381707)
(a) is an unbiased method analogous to blind orchestral auditions. (b) and (c) are not. (a) is also basically identical to hiring by github unless the candidate illegaly uses proprietary code as their sample. (From her article: "...not all programmers own the rights to their code..." in which case I can't look at it when hiring.)

The entire article is about how using github (i.e. evaluating code with the human absent, i.e. the closest thing [1] we currently have to blind auditions) is "biased" against women.

[1] Maybe we'll have something closer when starfighter comes out. I look forward to it.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by random854 on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @07:30AM (#9380188)
Read 'Unlocking the Clubhouse' (in regard to women.) It's dated but more recent research has similar conclusions.

I can't speak personally about race issues in tech. What I do know is that the industry thrives on ideas, and as people themselves have diverse ideas, missing an entire group's is missing a lot. Why isn't the field more racially diverse? Are black people 'naturally not interested in tech'? Or do they face social barriers others don't? What I know leads me to believe the latter.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by jrs99 on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @10:07AM (#9381032)
why even bother with someone who claims they've never seen research that proves discrimination in tech? That there's no discrimination against blacks who want to open up small businesses? Or claims that no one wants to diversify nursing? Less than a minute on google and I've found research that concludes there is discrimination in tech, that blacks face discrimination from banks when starting small businesses, and a handful of articles about diversity in nursing just on the first page of google results for that topic.
Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by vacri on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @07:39AM (#9380220)
Because of this people such as women will use this as an excuse

'people such as women'? Poe's Law has bested me on this one.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by digitalzombie on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @09:08AM (#9380678)
Sorry ESL, I was setting this up to talk about how the CEO of Reddit was using this as an excuse in her law suit.

"such as some women like CEO of Reddit" would be better. The original does make it seems like all women.

Re:100 Days as a Black Man in Silicon Valley by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @10:37AM (#9381234)
Any group tends to recruit like members. Its human nature. Even the much-applauded hiring criterion of "they have to be a team fit" just means "they have to be like us" which probably means male, upper-middle-class white college kid.

So there's the whole problem right there. Never mind right or wrong. Its just statistics and bias in group dynamics, nothing more.