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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by nostrademons on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @04:32PM (#9343736)
Isn't Samsung the main supplier for many of the parts used in the iPhone? And that's the reason why a.) they're in the phone business and b.) they can dominate the Android market? They took the other side of those transactions so they could learn exactly what it took to build a mobile phone, and then once they had phone-building expertise, they just need to ramp up their own production and divert some to internal use to fuel their own smartphones.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by exelius on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @04:55PM (#9343916)
Yeah, but the interesting part is that for a while, Samsung was the only manufacturer capable of producing LCD screens that met Apple's specs. Apple outbid Samsung's mobile division on those parts, so that resulted in a situation where the iPhone had better screens than the Galaxy, even though the iPhone's screen was manufactured by Samsung. AFAIK Samsung still manufactures Apple's mobile CPUs (likely under heavy NDA; like when accounting firms audit each other).

But you're right, being such a critical component of Apple's supply chain has likely given Samsung inside knowledge of Apple's platforms. As a result, Apple has been diversifying their supply chain to avoid Samsung.

I don't know that plays into their dominance of the Android market though. Samsung was already the top consumer electronics brand in the world prior to the release of the iPhone, so it's not surprising that would carry over into mobile phones. It was certainly a factor, though probably not a large one.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by soperj on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @05:14PM (#9344046)
And yet they had to go back to Samsung for screens because no one else could really provide the quality & quantity that Samsung could.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by exelius on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @05:23PM (#9344099)
Yeah; it's been a problem for them. Apple has been making strategic investments in these areas trying to create a healthier marketplace so they don't have to go to their biggest competitor to buy critical components. Fortunately, Samsung loves money more than it hates Apple.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by ch4ck on Thursday April 09, 2015 @12:32AM (#9345795)
LCD? Samsung used OLED for its top Galaxy devices since the day one. That was and is the main differentiator.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by moogly on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:02AM (#9346727)
He probably means PLS. Apple used (uses?) Samsung displays for the iPad. Their phones have always used Sharp or LG displays, I believe.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by ptx on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @04:52PM (#9343893)
Samsung made phones long before the iPhone existed.
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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by nostrademons on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @06:18PM (#9344467)
I didn't downvote either of you, but I didn't respond to either of your comments because they miss the point of mine. Yes, Samsung's been making phones forever. They have not been making smartphones forever. The iPhone was a fundamentally different product category from what phone manufacturers were doing before, requiring that competitors scrap a lot of what they were doing before [1]. And Samsung had a big leg-up in entering that product category by virtue of making many of the screens and chips used in the iPhone.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/building-android-a-40...

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by cmrdporcupine on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @06:48PM (#9344640)
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-sch-i730-verizon-wirele...

2005, 2 years before the iphone. And even called a smartphone in the review.

Touch screen keyboardless iphone clone, no. But smartphone, yes. Apple didn't invent this category, they just changed it.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by hondo77 on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @08:39PM (#9345122)
And it must have sucked or else people would have bought it in iPhone-like numbers. Apple changed the category by figuring it out.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by TheAnimus on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:28AM (#9347020)
I appreciate it's not a good way to start a conversation, but do you mind my asking how old you are?

When the iPhone launched, people like me [0] couldn't really understand it. I was a top five percentile earner in the UK, but still new to that bracket having only recently left uni. I was used to mobile phones being expensive at £400 commitment, £1800 (Uk price with minimum O2 exclusive contract) was unbelievable to me.

I made the mistake of looking at the original iPhone, and seeing something that was slow (no 3G), didn't have GPS (recently moved to London, I needed my GPS-maps!) and didn't support any third party applications. It was a joke. It sold buckets loads.

The problem was before that mobile apps were a limited affair. We had things like google maps on smartphones, but not much effort went in. We had a few games, but no one was really pushing serious money in that direction.

The iPhone became a fashion hit. It was the must have for the 20-something plus who could afford it, it was a status symbol because of price. Everything about it was worse than phones on the market, it took ages to make a call, writing a text took considerably longer. It simply didn't make sense as a phone.

However it became a platform. Companies from all walks of life, some who hadn't really bothered to have a website suddenly needed an 'App' for their marketing team to be happy. This created such gravity, people thought that Android would never be able to compete.

The internals of it were not really special at all, it was quite slow, the screen resolution awfully poor. It wasn't until the 4 addressed that last major concern I bought one.

[0] - http://forums.hexus.net/iphone-ios/110525-iphone-demo.html#p...

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by nostrademons on Thursday April 09, 2015 @03:17PM (#9350242)
That's what "changing a category" looks like. You build something that's worse on dimensions that existing customers care about, but better in areas that new, non-consumers care about. Because it's worse on all the existing metrics of performance, existing incumbents don't believe it's a threat until it's too late to compete.

The iPhone wasn't a platform until it had significant consumer adoption anyway...the App Store didn't open until nearly a year after launch. It turns out that being a hot fashion accessory and status symbol is actually more important for consumer adoption than speed of calling or texting.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by ptx on Thursday April 09, 2015 @03:44PM (#9350473)
I think one of the things that made it different, and successful, was that it aimed for a compromise between a smartphone and a regular phone. (Although obviously not in terms of price!)

Compared to a regular non-smart phone it had enormous amounts of RAM and a hugely more powerful CPU, which enabled it to run a real web browser (as opposed to Opera Mini). It also allowed fancier apps in general, once they allowed them at all, but I think the browser was pretty much the killer app.

Compared to smartphones it got rid of the stylus. This made it less capable but a lot more convenient. Having to fiddle with the stylus every time you pull the phone out of your pocket was probably, I believe, one of the things that made most people reluctant to switch to smartphones.

Also, as far as I can tell, most phones in the US were pure garbage compared to what we had elsewhere, before the iPhone upset the control of the carriers and encouraged people to pay more. If the US market had looked more like Europe, perhaps the iPhone wouldn't have been seen as such a revolution.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by cmrdporcupine on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:06AM (#9347192)
I had a Palm Treo many moons before I got a smartphone. It was a good phone, and the 'apps' such as they were on it were "good enough." I never really got the fuss about the iPhone. And I kind of still don't, even though right now that's what I'm doing for work (writing an Objective-C iPhone App)
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by soperj on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @06:50PM (#9344660)
There were so many smartphones before the iPhone, the main thing that Apple added was touch, which allowed them to have full screens. Not like it wasn't going that way anyway, LG prototyped a phone like that a year before the iphone came out.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by ptx on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @07:36PM (#9344905)
Not even that. Sony Ericsson P800 had a touch screen, apps, multitasking (with automatic termination of background tasks, just like Android and iOS) - in 2002! This was using Symbian and their UIQ interface (now dead).

Apple did introduce capacitive touch screens though, as far as I know, getting rid of the stylus. And they had a very attractive UI at launch. But not much was really new.

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by simplexion on Thursday April 09, 2015 @12:42AM (#9345815)
LG didn't just prototype a phone. They released the LG Prada.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by soperj on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @05:11PM (#9344027)
Except, you know, they've been building phones for far longer than Apple.
Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by varjag on Thursday April 09, 2015 @06:42AM (#9346681)
That's what Apple pixie dust does to people. I had people seriously arguing that Apple invented portable mp3 player with iPad too.