I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by FD3SA on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:38PM (#9343317)

Another perfect data point to add to Michael O`Church`s excellent series on the politics and psychology of the modern corporation.

For you starry eyed youngsters, just remember that this is Apple, the world`s most profitable company. It only gets worse as you go down the list.

Work for yourself. Consulting, the trades and any type of work you can do independently is far superior to dealing with wannabe Machiavellians on whose benevolence your paycheck depends.

Get out of the corporate world, and do anything else. The sky is the limit.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by noddingham on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:48PM (#9343408)

Whoa whoa. Consulting isn't the answer. There are plenty of opportunities in both private and public sector on awesome teams with amazing management.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by bduerst on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @04:21PM (#9343648)

Consulting is just a different beast.

You get a lot more freedom and typically a higher pay, but sometimes management uses consultants to be the fall guys or hires consultants to confirm their existing decisions. It takes a lot of business savvy (read: empathy) to understand why you're really being hired as a consultant.

I don't think OP here would be happy consulting. (Just my 2 cents.)

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by detaro on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:53PM (#9343443)

> just remember that this is Apple, the world`s most profitable company. It only gets worse as you go down the list.

I'm not convinced high profitability leads to better working conditions...

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by Drdrdrq on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:59PM (#9343491)

I think that was his point.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by amreact on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @04:30PM (#9343726)

> It only gets worse as you go down the list.

"It only gets worse as you go down the list" means "workplace quality decreases as profitability decreases."

This implies that "workplace quality increases as profitability increases."

"workplace quality increases as profitability increases" is a different way of saying "high profitability leads to better working conditions."

I think detaro understood FD3SA correctly.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by SonicSoul on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:59PM (#9343482)

you're painting with very broad strokes. I didn't like consulting as much for a few reasons. Never being treated like a true employee, having to account for my time in 15 min intervals, thin profit margins while working for intermediate company meant small to no bonuses, no benefits or perks, harder to get promoted or switch teams. Working full time (for big corps) has been great in past decade and I'm at a place where there is no micro management (from above or myself) and a carefully chosen lean team that gets things done. No complaints here!

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by baq on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:44PM (#9343365)

please excuse me for pointing out that you sound like you've drunk the consulting kool-aid yourself. in my experience it's not in any imaginable way worse down the list no matter where you look.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by michaelochurch on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @03:46PM (#9343384)

For you starry eyed youngsters, just remember that this is Apple, the world`s most profitable company. It only gets worse as you go down the list.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, quite a large number of organizations are dysfunctional, but the mean-spiritedness and overt psychopathy described by the OP is fairly rare, even in Corporate America.

From his description I'd guess that Apple is worse than 95% of places where people work, between the 16-hour days and the bizarre status games.

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Re:I Quit: What really goes on at Apple by Apocryphon on Wednesday April 08, 2015 @05:58PM (#9344328)

It's a huge corporation with a huge amount of variance. But it seems that Apple, at its worst, is worse than other firms at their worst. And that's something related to the corporate culture.

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