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Re:Amazon Home Services by LunaSea on Monday March 30, 2015 @07:43AM (#9288846)
The amount of horror stories coming from Amazon like this one:

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/245561031/content?start_page=1...

and you being so defensive about a simple comment are NOT a good sign about a company's culture and image.

Re:Amazon Home Services by sanderjd on Monday March 30, 2015 @09:23AM (#9289267)
The he-said/she-said of these comments makes me think that nobody is actively distorting, but that it's just such a big company that different people can have wildly differing experiences.
Re:Amazon Home Services by MCRed on Monday March 30, 2015 @12:48PM (#9290751)
There are people who are low level enough to maybe not have seen this stuff.

But I also saw stuff that, like that letter, I consider to be wrong. The latter refers to criminal actions-- I am not a lawyer so I can't say whether what the company did was illegal or not, but I certainly thought it was wrong.

One thing about that letter that rang true in my experience was that the company does not follow its own internal policies or handbook.

Amazon HR was dishonest to me, deceptive and engaged in what I consider to be fraud.

Re:Amazon Home Services by bederoso on Monday March 30, 2015 @08:41AM (#9289074)
How does me, a single person and a simple SDE, being defensive (was I being defensive just because I wanted to clear up misconceptions?), says anything about an entire company's culture and image?
Re:Amazon Home Services by eropple on Monday March 30, 2015 @09:27AM (#9289295)
You called him a liar. That's pretty defensive.

Personally, I have no trouble buying a lot of what he's selling, not least because I've seen his posts around here for a good while and he seems like a decent sort, but it also dovetails with my own experience. YMMV, but I'm not calling you a liar.

Re:Amazon Home Services by DickingAround on Monday March 30, 2015 @11:06AM (#9289981)
It seems fair to call someone a liar if you know they've said something factually untrue. (I'm no weighing in on the debate itself, but it's possible for someone to be factually wrong and it's appropriate to highlight that when it happens.)
Re:Amazon Home Services by eropple on Monday March 30, 2015 @01:59PM (#9291302)
You can be correct in the face of untruth and still be shitty and defensive about something; remember that Reddit storm when the CEO beefed with a fired employee?

I'm somewhat doubting that MCRed is lying, because he has some credibility to me through a history of good and productive posting, but it's possible.

Re:Amazon Home Services by delecti on Monday March 30, 2015 @11:05AM (#9289974)
Not to butt in, but if someone says something untrue, they are a liar. If I accused Amazon of killing babies, that would be a lie (I hope?), and you wouldn't be being defensive by calling me out for it.
Re:Amazon Home Services by taeric on Monday March 30, 2015 @11:43AM (#9290245)
Strictly speaking, it has to be knowingly untrue for it to be a lie. It is possible to just be wrong.
Re:Amazon Home Services by MCRed on Monday March 30, 2015 @12:49PM (#9290754)
For the record, everything I said was true, and after calling me a liar, he effectively admitted it!
Re:Amazon Home Services by MrBuddyCasino on Monday March 30, 2015 @09:49AM (#9289446)
This. I don't know any other major tech company that generates these horror stories with such a reliable regularity.