NIMBYs in the twenty-first century

Re:NIMBYs in the twenty-first century by sun_machine on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @11:10AM (#9263444)

I am confused by the way the Economist phrased Mr. Rognlie's argument. The crux of Piketty's argument is that when global returns on wealth (r) is more than global economy growth (g), capital will start snowballing into the hands of the few very quickly.

The mechanism of r getting bigger than g is not an increase in r, but a decrease in g. The increase of the global economy is dominated not by increasing technological efficiency, but by population growth. There is an upper limit of the number of people we can fit on this rock (whether 9 billion or 100 billion, we will hit a limit at some point). Once we bump into that ceiling, growth will slow dramatically, and those who have already managed to create a sizable stash, or who have the talent to regularly beat the market, can accumulate wealth to no end.

In short, as I understood Piketty's book, the fact that r might not increase if we put the right limits on housing development, doesn't change the overall hypothesis made by Piketty.

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Re:NIMBYs in the twenty-first century by Spooky23 on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @11:34AM (#9263600)

Wealth is different than growth.

I think the point is that if you move towards rent-seeking vs. value creation, people with a critical mass just hoover up capital and get richer. Even if the economy contracts, you can still take more chips off the table.

We have historical examples of this as populations start bumping against local ceilings that illustrate that this scenario is very possible. The Roman aristocracy was living it up, while the plebeians in many cases were subsisting on bread and circuses.

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Re:NIMBYs in the twenty-first century by tomjen3 on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @12:11PM (#9263872)

You seem to be under the assumption that the population is going to grow towards infinity. The UN projects that we will stay under 10 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growt...) and even the highest only have us at 16 billion at the end of this century (compare that to the growth in the 20th century).

So unless there is a relatively low limit for total humans on this planet, we won't reach it before we become a spacefaring race, at which point the limit will be the carrying capacity of the Universe.

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Re:NIMBYs in the twenty-first century by onnoonno on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @12:55PM (#9264214)

> So unless there is a relatively low limit for total humans on this planet, we won't reach it before we become a spacefaring race, at which point the limit will be the carrying capacity of the Universe.

But even in that case, you can only have at most polynomial growth (human habitat spherically expanding with speed of light) instead of an exponential one.

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