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Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by ams6110 on Sunday March 22, 2015 @04:33PM (#9248108)
A union will remove any ability for you to stand out. You will be paid the same as the worst or best worker, on the basis of some kind of seniority/job description parameters worked out by the union leadership and the company management. It may get you a little more than you get now, but it also removes any reward for excellence. You will be unable to negotiate a raise or promotion directly with your managers.

If you're unhappy with your compensation, move to someplace where you get a better deal. You are worth whatever you agree to work for. If you want a union, fine. I don't suggest that you shouldn't have one. But it will limit your upside, a lot. Even if it offers some minimal protection on the downside.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by smacktoward on Sunday March 22, 2015 @09:09PM (#9248952)
Hollywood actors, writers and directors all have unions. Professional baseball and football players have unions.

You really think any of those people feel like they don't have the opportunity to stand out? Or that their financial upside is too limited?

Don't generalize about what a union can be based on what unions for one particular type of workers are. When a group of workers' labor is easily replaceable, of course their union is going to focus on things like uniform pay -- that way the workers won't get trapped into a downward spiral by demands that they undercut each others' wages or lose their jobs. But unions for workers who aren't easily replaceable will have different priorities.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by learnstats2 on Sunday March 22, 2015 @04:36PM (#9248125)
This matches my experience, unfortunately.

I worked in an industry with notoriously low pay, and I felt that the union removed my ability to negotiate my pay.

Meanwhile, my workplace was paying for (and I was stuck dealing with) union-protected incompetence.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by chronid on Sunday March 22, 2015 @04:57PM (#9248189)
To bring a counterpoint, it does not match mine (but I do not live in the USA).

My salary is actually higher that the minimum (established by collective agreement) for my job. The union just negotiates the lower bound.

If your company values you more than that, they can always pay you more. Or promote you. Nothing stops them to do so.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by ptaipale on Sunday March 22, 2015 @05:16PM (#9248276)
I guess this depends on local legislation. It is possible that in some places the law/collective agreement says that you cannot pay more.
Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by maxharris on Sunday March 22, 2015 @05:38PM (#9248363)
Nothing stops them to do so.

Except the fact that at any given moment, the company only has $X to pay you from, and the union makes it so that they have some amount less: $X - n.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday March 22, 2015 @09:05PM (#9248938)
For some reason, this logic never seems to apply upper management salaries - irrespective of competence or achievement.

Here's the reality - the C-suite is already informally unionised. There's no explicit union structure, but there's a very cosy network of personal relationships, social signals, and ethical assumptions which relies on rhetoric like "We should pay talent what it's worth" to make sure that executive-level comp only shrinks in exceptional and rare cases.

Unionisation may not be the most perfect balance to that, but it's much better than any alternative which amounts to "Eh, let's just do nothing."

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by learnstats2 on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:32AM (#9250503)
This is because upper management has an imbalance of power, agreed.

But it seems to me that unionisation ultimately gives management additional power - when the management can re-direct employees to the bureaucracy of the union structure - where the union has negotiated protection for their own upper management - rather than manage with them as individuals with individual circumstances.

Re:The decline in unionization has fed the rise in incomes a... by Apocryphon on Monday March 23, 2015 @01:24PM (#9252097)
But they don't already manage them as individuals as individual circumstances. They manage them as interchangeable pieces who have weakly singular leverage.