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Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by carsongross on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:34PM (#9234749)
Nearly everyone was on the same proverbial page: Japan's population is 98.5 per cent Japanese, as defined by citizenry. While ethnic diversity has its strengths (and some academics point out that, when you analyse the population's regional roots, Japan is quite diverse), a set of common cultural values, instilled from birth, may strengthen resilience in the face of crisis and adversity.

Thought-crime in progress, citizens. Look away! Look away!

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by kazinator on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:39PM (#9234780)
I think what that means that if some Japanese folk are in a crisis, they (within obvious limitations of individual personalities and capacities) can generally count on each other to "do the Japanese thing". That brings a certain spontaneous efficiency and order into a chaotic situation, compared to having to deal with clashes of different mindsets on top of the crisis.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by hkmurakami on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:53PM (#9235118)
>do the Japanese thing

I think this is important to stress, because "doing the Japanese thing" isn't a natural, subconscious thing. It's a deliberate "playing the part".

The uniformity of Japanese society isn't entirely due to the uniformity of its people. It's also strongly driven by people responsibly acting like they are "supposed to" in role play fashion.

There are many people who couldn't handle the role play and bowed out of mainstream work and life. It's kind of like not being able to guzzle down the coolaid at a "SV Startup" and thus bowing out.

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by kazinator on Thursday March 19, 2015 @07:15PM (#9235221)
I have been informed by some non-immigrant Japanese people that they find some Japanese immigrants living in, say, Canada or America, to have their own way of thinking (so that, "yappari" (of course, no surprise!), those people prefer being immigrants in another culture).

So sometimes I ask the question, like it's great in Japan, why do you want to be here? The reasons are various, among them things like, "I like just addressing people by their first name", or "there are people from many different countries and cultures in Canada; people are not 'the same'".

Once on the train (in Canada) I overheard some snippet of conversation among some girls about some planned event, "... minna Nihonjin dakara ikitakunai" ("I don't want to go, because everyone there will be Japanese").

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by hkmurakami on Thursday March 19, 2015 @07:26PM (#9235270)
I know exactly what that girl meant by that phrase and empathize with her. As as outsider of any degree (whether American born like me or simply not having fit in with the "way things are" in a Japanese group setting), it can be stifling.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by lovemenot on Thursday March 19, 2015 @07:15PM (#9235222)
>> "doing the Japanese thing" isn't a natural, subconscious thing. It's a deliberate "playing the part".

Arguably, for anyone, it always is just playing a part. Japanese seem to get this point better than some, so tend to keep in character for longer.

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by kazinator on Thursday March 19, 2015 @07:22PM (#9235247)
Basically, you're not going to say and do the right thing, if you're raised by wolves in the woods, no matter what genes you contain. It is learned.

So then whether it's acting its just a question of how deeply is the learning integrated into your personality and how it aligns with your so called temperament.

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by dhimes on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:25PM (#9234986)
Indeed, we were all counting on that with Fukashima.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by lclarkmichalek on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:11PM (#9234928)
You're the only person who has mentioned that paragraph. Clearly the thought police are asleep today.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by cbd1984 on Thursday March 19, 2015 @10:58PM (#9236027)
Yes. Being anti-racist is just like being the Thought Police in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by drpgq on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:36PM (#9235044)
Well even Robert Putnam has admitted that diversity is overrated.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by tsotha on Friday March 20, 2015 @03:22AM (#9236539)
After delaying publication of his work until he could figure out how to spin it.

Personally I think the Japanese are blessed for having a homogeneous society because it means they don't have to devote time in every discussion to race issues.

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by le_lenny_face on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:55PM (#9235131)
Jesus Christ. Why do we even allow this sort of pseudo-scientific "race realist" (read: racist) rubbish on Hacker News?

Japan is one of the most racist first-world countries in the world. Have you even seen their incessant xenophobia?

Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by girvo on Thursday March 19, 2015 @10:21PM (#9235919)
I think there can be an interesting discussion on the benefits of integration vs. diversity, even if I personally think diversity is something that is good. Integration has good sides and bad sides; the good being the focus of the original article, the bad being horrendous xenophobia and terrible treatment of those who don't integrate. Shutting discussion down as if things don't have multiple sides isn't very liberal, in my opinion, even if I personally disagree with the focus of said discussion.
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by Dylan16807 on Friday March 20, 2015 @04:31AM (#9236653)
Culture isn't race... Are there actual comments from "race realists" somwhere I'm missing, or are you raging against something that doesn't exist?
Re:Turning Japanese: Coping with stasis by Danieru on Friday March 20, 2015 @06:41AM (#9236931)
No I haven't seen the zenophobia. Granted I only live here so maybe it is more obvious from SF?