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Re:To tip or not to tip? by acjohnson55 on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:20PM (#9181117)
I don't think the parent poster mentioned anything about large tips. I myself read complaints about poor tips constantly in my Facebook feed, usually from the same disgruntled couple of service industry friends of mine. But then again, I don't think I have that many more friends in the service industry.

As far as I can see, tipping is not adds frustrating unpredictability to their income, but it also exposes them to discrimination.

As a customer, I find it annoying because it makes paying for my meal a math problem, particularly when dining in a group.

I see nothing wrong with a true gratuity for stellar service, but when it's just an unwritten (or written) extra cost, it's absurd. Just charge me what it costs to pay your service people.

Re:To tip or not to tip? by tass on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:29PM (#9181172)
Yes, dine in a group, split your bill, then work out how much tax needs to be split (since for some crazy reason it's not included in the price) then work out a tip.
Re:To tip or not to tip? by waterlesscloud on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @07:09PM (#9181417)
If you left their income solely up to their employers, it would be more predictable. But it would also almost certainly be considerably lower.
Re:To tip or not to tip? by maratd on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @10:30PM (#9182195)
> But it would also almost certainly be considerably lower.

No, it wouldn't. It would be exactly the same. Because their employer knows exactly how much they will get in tips and subtracted that same amount from their salary. The cost of labor is constant, regardless of how you divide it.

Re:To tip or not to tip? by waterlesscloud on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:59AM (#9182924)
Frankly, you're just flat out wrong on this. If the employer can capture this income, they will. You're welcome to present evidence otherwise.
Re:To tip or not to tip? by maratd on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:31AM (#9184574)
If the employer captures too much income, the employee quits. That's what controls the amount the employer can capture and that's the labor wage for the work. This is econ 101.
Re:To tip or not to tip? by tptacek on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @06:39PM (#9187935)
Doesn't econ 101 have something to say about Pareto Efficiency, or is that a later course?
Re:To tip or not to tip? by acjohnson55 on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:13PM (#9181932)
You're suggesting that, in the status quo, some aspect of the tipping system is tilting the distribution of revenue toward servers instead of employers. Why do you think so?
Re:To tip or not to tip? by waterlesscloud on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:27PM (#9181980)
Yep, that's what I'm saying.

If servers were paid entirely by the employers directly, they'd be paid the least amount that got an acceptable level of employee. Same as all other service industry jobs.

Since the payment was coming from the employer, it would be included in the meal price. Meal price is a competitive factor for restaurants, and all else being equal, those restaurants with lower meal prices will do better than equivalent restaurants with higher meal prices. The pressure to have lower meal prices would lead to lower pay for the employees. That would be one of the easiest places to cut costs, and thus prices.

Customers don't, as a rule, include tips in their evaluation of meal prices. So it removes the downward competitive pressure there.

What this really boils down to is that customers are more generous with direct payments to servers than their employers would be. Do you think this isn't true? Why?

Re:To tip or not to tip? by acjohnson55 on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @06:38PM (#9187932)
But there's already a free market for labor, wage floor notwithstanding. Anybody who's paying above the minimum wage for servers already has to compete on wages. And they have to compete with other industries as well. Tipping simply allows the equilibrium base wage (and even the wage floor itself, by policy) to be lower than it would otherwise be.

Plenty of study shows that generosity or level of service have very little to do with tipping on the whole. People typically tip based on personal habit relative to their interpretation of local custom. (I can try to find sources if you doubt this.) I don't think there's any reason to believe that customers don't take gratuity, and tax for that matter, into account when deciding when and where to dine out.

I'm not suggesting that the situation would be the exact same for every server if tipping went away. Some would benefit, others would suffer. On the whole, it would be less discriminatory. But I don't see why we would expect to see a macro change in waitstaff income.