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Re:The new MacBook by bane on Monday March 09, 2015 @01:56PM (#9172504)
It just means we're going to stay stuck in dongle hell.

When I'm on the road the minimalism of a Mac is nice, but at my desk, hooked up to everything I really need for heavy work, my desktop is a cluster-f of cables and adapters and wires.

Re:The new MacBook by bryanlarsen on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:12PM (#9172629)
This seems like the fix for dongle hell to me. You plug everything into your monitor, tucking your cables away nicely, and then you have a single cable going from your monitor into your laptop.
Re:The new MacBook by bduerst on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:13PM (#9174113)
Most monitors do this now with a USB hub, except you have two cables (video and usb).

Too bad USB-C didn't also do microphone in.

Re:The new MacBook by bronson on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:01PM (#9174683)
Re:The new MacBook by eropple on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:58PM (#9174975)
Small sample size and all, but I find USB microphones to be rather susceptible to electrical noise from stuff like USB hubs. I have to plug them directly into my machines to get a clean signal.
Re:The new MacBook by cdcarter on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:10PM (#9175022)
Probably better to use a USB microphone instead of integrated sound card A/D anyway...
Re:The new MacBook by mmastrac on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:04PM (#9172558)
To be fair, it's at least a single standard dongle hell. And now with USB-C you can have thunderbolt-style docks that give you a near-universal docking experience (ie: DVI/HDMI/dozens of USB ports/DVD drive/power) with a single cable when you're at your desk.
Re:The new MacBook by Someone1234 on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:02PM (#9173591)
I agree, that is the theory. However we might be at least a year from such hubs being affordable.

I guess what I am saying is, I wouldn't want to be queued outside the Apple store for one of these. The supporting accessories aren't there yet (yes, even with Apple's two hubs/adapters).

However when they do the refresh on this line, one or two years from now, the supporting hubs, wires, and so on will be available and it will be a very fun experience.

Re:The new MacBook by greggman on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:08PM (#9172587)
Isn't it only dongle hell for a few years? Theoretically monitors, printers, hard drives, etc will all have USB-C connectors as well at some point.
Re:The new MacBook by xanderstrike on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#9173550)
What does the USB-C equivalent of this [1] look like on a laptop with only one port? Apple basically killed the always-plugged-in peripheral with this revision, there's no way you could create something small enough that it wouldn't break in a bag that still provided pass-through for charging or other devices.

Do all monitors/printers/hard drives/etc provide pass through so you can charge? Or do you have to unplug your laptop from the power to get to your hard drive if you lose your dongle?

Not to mention the fact that every single mac apple peripheral you've ever owned is now worthless.

If they threw USB-C on as the charger alongside a USB and Thunderbolt I'd be stoked that mac is embracing new technology. If they put two or three USB-C ports and nothing else I'd be impressed with their commitment. With just one port, I'm left wondering what the hell they're thinking people use their laptops for.

[1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2TY1K447...

Re:The new MacBook by jakobegger on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:25PM (#9173761)
I'm not sure why you'd want to use such a wireless mouse receiver with a computer that has bluetooth built in?

Also, I haven't plugged in a printer in years. Many printers have Wifi built in, and if not, you can always attach it to an Airport base station.

External storage? Use Apple's Time Capsule or any other NAS to back up your data wirelessly.

I've even seen companies use Apple TVs connected to a projector for wireless presentations.

Sure, a USB thumb drive is invaluable when you need to copy some files to your uncles 10 year old laptop with broken wifi; but you can get pretty far without wires if you want.

Re:The new MacBook by raisedbyninjas on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:42PM (#9173903)
About 70% of the wireless mice on Newegg are not bluetooth mice. Non-bluetooth mice can have longer range or less lag for example.
Re:The new MacBook by lbearl on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:33PM (#9172809)
So we are basically back to the old days of Daisy-chaining SCSI devices?
Re:The new MacBook by tomjen3 on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:00PM (#9173093)
No, since they can all be connected to a single hub. This is way better than now, where you need one power cable, one, keyboard cable, etc.
Re:The new MacBook by zkhalique on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:48PM (#9172954)
What's wrong with USB hubs?
Re:The new MacBook by Someone1234 on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:07PM (#9173614)
Want a legit answer? They lack power isolation. I had a device surge/short while attached to a USB hub (it was a branded one), and everything else attached died: Keyboard, Mouse, motherboard, and a phone.

This was back pre-USB 3, and the power limit of USB has only increased since then (USB 3, USB-C, etc). This means the wires get hotter, the hub gets hotter, and any short/surge will have an even more dramatic effect (e.g. fire?).

Honestly USB hubs should be up to the same spec as a surge-protector/multi-tap, but they aren't, even though they carry enough electricity to kill someone.

Re:The new MacBook by zkhalique on Monday March 09, 2015 @06:38PM (#9174562)
Re:The new MacBook by lbearl on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:19PM (#9173240)
Nothing is wrong with hubs, but now there is yet one more thing you have to have available (at least until they become more prolific in external devices)
Re:The new MacBook by sgt101 on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:49PM (#9173490)
No, we will have wi-gig devices, most things will talk wirelessly.
Re:The new MacBook by archagon on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:39PM (#9172859)
I'm concerned about the feasibility of USB-powered hard drives with this setup. On my Macbook Pro, if I plug more than one of them into a hub (as opposed to separate USB ports), they start flaking out on account of lack of power, even if the hub is powered.
Re:The new MacBook by lsaferite on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:24PM (#9173284)
Well, if the hub has enough power, supports USB-PD, and the drive supports USB-PD, then it should be able to draw up to 100W of power.
Re:The new MacBook by X-Istence on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:25PM (#9173303)
Then your hub is not doing a good job of providing the 500 mA that it supposed to give to devices, or your USB powered hard drive actually requires more than 500 mA to do its thing.
Re:The new MacBook by archagon on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:44PM (#9173451)
I believe my drives use 500mA each for power.
Re:The new MacBook by X-Istence on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:48PM (#9175195)
Make sure the power brick that your powered hub came with is capable of powering the N+ devices you have at the same time. Most of the 4 port hubs come with 2A power supplies, however sometimes they skimp on actually being able to deliver that power.
Re:The new MacBook by jedrek on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:48PM (#9173482)
Apple laptops have been limited by a lack of docking ports, which is my favorite use case for having a work and home workstation. Now, instead of hooking up a power cable, monitor cable and USB hub, you slide one connector in. How is that bad?
Re:The new MacBook by drinchev on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:04PM (#9173601)
It would not be bad, but the adapter that gives me two ports will be a part of my trip.

At airports for example I'm carrying only my MacBook and usually put in there charger and the my phone, now I have to also carry an adapter to do that.

Re:The new MacBook by renaudg on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:53PM (#9174437)
Well with the Thunderbolt Display or various other Thunderbolt docking stations, 2 cables to the Macbook already was a reality
Re:The new MacBook by teacup50 on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:46PM (#9172924)
Sounds like what you want is a ... Desktop Computer.
Re:The new MacBook by tstrimple on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:05PM (#9173126)
You mean that portable USB hard drives should be used with desktop computers, not portable laptops?
Re:The new MacBook by integraton on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:10PM (#9173642)
In the current era of ubiquitous saas/cloud services, abstracted file systems, multiple device types, large internal storage options, dropbox, box, drive, and icloud, there are many, many people who haven't used a USB drive in years (or ever) and have no use for one.
Re:The new MacBook by danudey on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:07PM (#9173146)
This is one of the great things about buying an Apple Cinema Display. My Displayport model provides audio/video over one cable, camera/microphone over another, and a third MagSafe connector. The Thunderbolt design allows for audio/video/camera/microphone/ethernet/firewire/even more thunderbolt, plus a magsafe connector.

I think we'll see a lot of small USB hubs with a USB-C connector to your laptop and all your USB/audio/Displayport/ethernet out, so that getting back to your desk is one cable to plug in and not a half-dozen.

Re:The new MacBook by larrys on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:01PM (#9173104)
Other than cost (which is certainly a factor) I guess I've never understood why people schlep around a laptop and use the same laptop for their desktop by plugging in cables. I know people do this who could easily afford an additional more powerful desktop.

I use a MacPro driving 3 27' displays and also have a few portables as well. It's just a matter of synching info. I can't imagine having to deal with hooking up a portable.

Re:The new MacBook by egypturnash on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:01PM (#9173582)
Some of us like to own as few things as possible.

Plugging my 2013 Air into my desk when I come home isn't a big hassle - I plug in the speaker cable, the power cable, the video cable, and the USB hub. It takes me ten seconds[1] to do unless one of the cables falls; they're normally sitting right where I put the Mac. It sits on a lower shelf and runs closed; there's a Bluetooth keyboard and a Wacom tablet on my desk. (I'm an artist.)

It'd be nice to have the single connector I guess. Once I got an adapter[2] and plugged everything into that I'd save all of, I dunno, five seconds?

I'm also not driving three displays. I have never liked multiple displays. They don't work well with a Wacom tablet, and I go crazy from constantly seeing slight color differences; when I'm at a cafe, I use the laptop screen; when I'm at home, I use the external monitor.

Now you have one person's explanation of why she schleps around a single laptop that she also uses for her desktop.

1: Literally; I just timed it. 6.6s to leisurely unplug it, 10.3s to casually reconnect it.

2: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av...

Re:The new MacBook by fragmede on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:26PM (#9174827)
Binder clips are useful for avoiding cable falls: http://www.efficientlifeskills.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/1...
Re:The new MacBook by alasdair_ on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:46PM (#9173470)
>It's just a matter of synching info.

Synchronizing is hard. That's the problem.

I want to close my laptop after a day at the office and be able to continue working on the train or an airplane, immediately, if I need to.

This isn't easy to do without having a single machine.

Re:The new MacBook by cweiss on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:57PM (#9174474)
To their credit, it seems Apple is at least trying to solve this problem with their recent foray into 'live' document dragging between iOS/Yosemite. Though it's hardly the ubiquitous solution we want, it is a first step.
Re:The new MacBook by anentropic on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:18PM (#9173231)
mostly because a) don't need a more powerful desktop and b) the syncing is not well streamlined

I'd seriously consider an iMac if Apple would solve b.