Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by tomp on Sunday March 08, 2015 @02:27PM
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Those are two different stories. IMO, the second one is much preferable, as it's an actual story, instead of just a 50-or-so-word G+ and Twitter post. I don't see why it should be considered a duplicate, though I guess if users flagged it, most of them disagreed.
Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by dang on Sunday March 08, 2015 @02:31PM
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They aren't two different stories by the standards that normally apply on HN. They're about the same thing.
It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.
Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by bri3d on Sunday March 08, 2015 @02:03PM
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HN penalizes stories with more comments than votes ("flame war detector"). Between that and the inevitable flagging, stories about sexism and/or workplace harassment tend to die quickly on HN.
Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by lambda on Sunday March 08, 2015 @02:12PM
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Yes, in my experience, this is the most likely reason that this article disappeared.
I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not.
On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere.
On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.
Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by jttam on Sunday March 08, 2015 @02:05PM
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Although I don't know Kelly Ellis, I believe this is in reference to this: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 -- I am not actually trying to express an opinion on this, but that's the context from yesterday.
Re:Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front...
by MartinCron on Monday March 09, 2015 @12:54PM
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I don't think "complicit culture of silence" is quite right as it implies more direct intent. It's more along the lines of "inability to have a difficult conversation".
My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?
It was reposted today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261. We would normally demote that as a duplicate, but we didn't. Users flagged it.
It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.
I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not.
On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere.
On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309
My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?
jesus, get the story right before jumping to conclusions
Her pinned tweet gives a pretty good indication of what's going on.
If that happens, that would tragically mirror the tech world's distaste for open and honest discussion of the issues women face in tech.