Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS

Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by junto on Saturday March 07, 2015 @04:39AM (#9161454)

  We don’t want the state-run telcos in Saudi, Iran, Bahrain,
  Belarus, China, Egypt, Cuba, USA, etc… to have direct access
  to the metadata of TextSecure users in those countries or
  anywhere else.

Sad to see that the 'land of the free' has become bundled (in a relatively short period of time) into a category of oppressive states that have little or no respect for the privacy of its citizens.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by proveanegative on Saturday March 07, 2015 @05:34AM (#9161537)

I read this bundling as a deliberate rhetorical/political move. You could have bundled the US with other surveillance-happy Western nations such as Australia or the UK, which as far as I understand do not behave in a qualitatively different manner.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by dredmorbius on Saturday March 07, 2015 @08:13AM (#9161755)

Not only do the UK, Australia, or Canada and New Zealand for that matter, not behave qualitatively differently, but as the "Five Eyes" surveillance states, they'll spy on one another's citizens (and occasionally their own) for one another, effectively gutting any legislative prohibitions on domestic surveillance.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncB...

Tipped off to me by SoftwareMaven here at HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061

(Links are described in more detail in my G+ post above)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-de...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-austra...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-i...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-bri...

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by pyre on Saturday March 07, 2015 @09:44AM (#9161891)

Said information shared was found illegal in the UK recently.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by dredmorbius on Saturday March 07, 2015 @10:38AM (#9162006)

Source?

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by pyre on Sunday March 08, 2015 @12:00AM (#9164608)

Looks like it wasn't an actual court. I was recalling incorrectly: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-int...

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by dredmorbius on Sunday March 08, 2015 @01:50AM (#9164847)

Thanks.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by harry8 on Saturday March 07, 2015 @08:53AM (#9161805)

And I guess there's a school of thought that from this perspective Australia and the UK are different countries in name only and are following US policy as dictated? True or not it's reasonable rhetoric I guess.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by colechristensen on Saturday March 07, 2015 @05:10AM (#9161501)

It seems pretty clear that more or less every advanced country should be included on that list.

America needs a new constitutional amendment to address what the 4th Amendment means in the 21st century.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by dhimes on Saturday March 07, 2015 @08:56AM (#9161815)

I think you are seeing what it means to those in power- and those are the folks who would draw it up. It would be quite a remarkable revolution to put normal citizens in the legislature to rewrite the laws. I'm not sure my country can handle that. Too much funny laugh-track stuff on TV.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by blfr on Saturday March 07, 2015 @05:17AM (#9161509)

Do people really think that having your texts read is comparably oppressive to living in Belarus?

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by alsdifu3 on Saturday March 07, 2015 @09:41AM (#9161887)

No one said that except you. Nice rhetorical strategy. Moxie said 'state-run telcos'. Which is accurate.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by blfr on Saturday March 07, 2015 @01:33PM (#9162582)

Moxie didn't say it but the comment seems to imply that they are in fact comparable.

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Re:Saying goodbye to encrypted SMS/MMS by alsdifu3 on Saturday March 07, 2015 @03:32PM (#9163017)

OP lamented that the US uses the same tactics as those places. Data sent to/from your device will be captured in all of the places mentioned. Where is the comparison?

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