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Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by filmgirlcw on Thursday March 05, 2015 @12:38PM (#9152330)
So this could be really interesting from a precedent standpoint because it could help clarify the legality of the GPL in various contexts in the court.

Whatever you think about the GPL (and I'm for open source and open licenses but I do have issues with GPL v3, but that's just me), this has been necessary, I believe, in order for GPL and OSS projects to move forward.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by wongarsu on Thursday March 05, 2015 @01:05PM (#9152575)
>clarify the legality of the GPL

So far the decision of German courts has been that if GPL wouldn't be a legal license, then the licensee wouldn't have had any rights at all (since you would default back to regular copyright).

It's possible that some points of the GPL will be debated, but I doubt that this will bring much additional clarity.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by lclarkmichalek on Thursday March 05, 2015 @12:41PM (#9152348)
I'm not sure it will be that groundbreaking; this seems to be yet another busybox violation litigated in Germany, of which we have had several already.
Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by cjbprime on Thursday March 05, 2015 @12:47PM (#9152410)
It started out that way, but as I understand the release materials here, this is now about Hellwig's copyright on core kernel code (e.g. the VFS), which VMWare has integrated into their product.

I wonder what they're thinking. At least with nVidia there's a plausible sounding defense that goes like "hey, we just wrote a shim to load this platform independent code we already had lying around, so our platform independent code can stay proprietary because it's not a derived work of Linux". I don't think this position is correct, but I can see that it at least requires a court case to adjudicate.

But in VMWare's case, it appears that they took the Linux kernel and modified it to make their own vmkernel. I can't see how you make an argument (that their vmkernel is not a derived work of Linux) that takes more than ten seconds to soundly defeat.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by nitrogen on Thursday March 05, 2015 @01:05PM (#9152577)
I've seen it argued on HN that the GPL's definition of a derivative work differs from the legal definition, and if you never distribute the GPL'd code, you aren't bound by it.

Thus, one could write kernel drivers, which (it was argued) are not derivative works under copyright, and be safe as long as the kernel is not redistributed by the same entity.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by belorn on Thursday March 05, 2015 @04:14PM (#9153850)
In theory that would not be copyright infringement as you describe it, since the entity that would be accused never distributed the GPL'ed licensed work.

There is however a big caveat whenever you try to "hack" around law. If the author explicit state that "I do not wish X to happen to my work" and someone technically comply but in practice make so X happens anyway, then a judges ruling can go anywhere. See the Pirate Bay or the Aereo case where arguments for such "hacks" has been made.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by hijiri on Thursday March 05, 2015 @01:37PM (#9152840)
The GPL does say the conditions are only on redistribution. But I think that's how it works with other derived works as well, by default. The GPL is all about how you can relicense it to other people using only the same license, you're free to do whatever you want if you never give anyone your modified code.
Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by schoen on Thursday March 05, 2015 @04:12PM (#9153847)
17 USC §106 refers to the right "to prepare derivative works" as an exclusive right of a copyright holder, so creating the derivative work in the first place could be a copyright infringement under U.S. copyright law even if it is never distributed to anyone. So you can potentially infringe copyright in your basement by making a fan translation of some movie or novel into your language.
Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by gizmo686 on Thursday March 05, 2015 @01:37PM (#9152833)
The first time the GPL mentions "derivative work" is in paragraph 0, in the phrase "derivative work under copyright law", which would suggest that they are not redefining it. However, it immidietly goes on to say:

"that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language"

I'm not entirely sure what to do with this.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by zanny on Thursday March 05, 2015 @02:38PM (#9153282)
It means the definition under copyright in addition to translations and modified versions. Different countries have different copyright definitions, and the translation of a work is not always the same CC.
Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by lambda on Thursday March 05, 2015 @01:15PM (#9152657)
You missed the next paragraph, in which it says that as they looked further into it, they discovered Linux kernel violations as well.

LWN has some more detailed coverage, describing the proprietary vmkernel component that gets loaded into the kernel as a kernel module, and the specific files from the kernel that are included in this: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/635290/d7304b50a2ef15b0/

This is much deeper than simply a binary kernel module that uses the exported interfaces; it also appears to copy wholesale large parts of kernel internals, not just access the kernel via defined interfaces.

Re:VMWare Taken to Court Over GPL Violation by filmgirlcw on Thursday March 05, 2015 @12:49PM (#9152431)
like cjbprime said, looking at the case, this has the potential to be much bigger.