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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by xyby on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:18AM (#9118269)
I'm sending out a newsletter every now and then. A simple text newsletter that goes out to about 50,000 subscribers. I send it via a PHP script I wrote myself. It can do a/b tests, bounce- and optout-handling. Every time I see commercial offerings like this one, I wonder: Would I gain anything by using them? They seem pretty expensive to me.

My selfmade solution also can do HTML mailings, but I never was able to measure any benefit of styled newsletters over text. So I usually use just text.

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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by jvvlimme on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:38AM (#9118328)
Deliverability is going to be substantially better. IPs from commercial providers are trusted among ISPs and have a better chance not being flagged as spam.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by thaumaturgy on Friday February 27, 2015 @07:03AM (#9118396)
You're right for the most part, but I hope that will change soon. I've been working on a new spam filter for a while, it's in testing on my mail server for a handful of customers, and quite a bit of stuff from constantcontact, sendgrid, Amazon, and even Gmail are getting caught by it.

The unfortunate thing is that every time there's a new trusted mailing service with a good reputation, spammers flock to it.

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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by aaronbasssett on Friday February 27, 2015 @07:36AM (#9118480)
Not in this instance. They use your AWS SES account, which you could just as easily use from your own script so deliverability will be equal.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by xyby on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:40AM (#9118334)
What would be a good way to measure that?
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by jaredmiwilliams on Friday February 27, 2015 @08:27AM (#9118676)
Your bounce rate and reasons.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by xyby on Friday February 27, 2015 @09:43AM (#9119036)
A mail that goes into the spam folder does not bounce.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by kirkus on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:30AM (#9118307)
Yeh you can better measure stats like open rate, CTR and deliverability. It's especially good for marketers and entrepreneurs that want an easy to use interface to manage their email marketing campaigns.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by xyby on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:39AM (#9118329)
As far as I know, there is no good way to measure open rate. You can see if images in your html email are loaded. But that could also happen automatically or in a preview pane that is displayed by default.

The reason why I shy away from measuring CTR is that I then cannot give people the real url. I like to directly give them the final url instead of some intermediate page. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer that.

How do you measure deliverability?

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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by qu1mby on Friday February 27, 2015 @09:26AM (#9118950)
Could you use a url parameter on the end of the real url (e.g. example.com/page?source=email_[date]), and then use the history object to strip the param once they land on the url (modern browsers)?
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by neeraga on Friday February 27, 2015 @06:58AM (#9118385)
You're right, deliverability can be measured via pixel image itself. That is the same process that we follow at SendGlide.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by glomph on Friday February 27, 2015 @09:17AM (#9118900)
Google caches those images though. So it isn't accurate for gmail.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by aezell on Friday February 27, 2015 @09:46AM (#9119055)
Only for repeat opens. The original open still accesses a particular URL specific to that recipient so the open is recorded even if Gmail hides IP, browser, OS, and other data via their proxy. If the user doesn't view the images, that open is never recorded anyway. So, the caching doesn't actually affect the open rate.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by glomph on Saturday February 28, 2015 @10:58AM (#9123994)
They cache them before the email is even read. They also cache images across gmail accounts.
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Re:Show HN: SendGlide – Beautiful email marketing for small ... by ThomPete on Friday February 27, 2015 @08:16AM (#9118636)
A rookie question if you don't mind me asking.

How does your setup work? Have you thought about open-sourcing or selling the script?

I am using MailChimp for weekendhacker but i always feel like it's way too bloated for my needs.

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