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Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by sfeng on Friday February 20, 2015 @03:19PM (#9082725)
Acids and etching solutions have been used to do this for many years. It takes longer, hence the relevance of this discovery, but it does often work long after the numbers are obliterated visually. My understanding is, similar to this method, it relies on the structural changes made in the underlying metal when the upper layers are stamped. It goes to show you just how tricky materials engineering must be, seeing how the structure of a material can be so easily changed in an invisible way.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Friday February 20, 2015 @04:44PM (#9083263)
So keep grinding even after the serial's no longer visible?
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by MichaelGG on Friday February 20, 2015 @05:27PM (#9083497)
I'd imagine it might be more important to apply the same type of pressure as the stamping process. Assuming there's some maximum compression or structural change that can happen?
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by iwwr on Friday February 20, 2015 @05:26PM (#9083493)
Or re-anneal the materials in an oven?
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by TrainedMonkey on Friday February 20, 2015 @06:40PM (#9083837)
Putting parts of firearms in the oven, does not sound like a safe thing to do if you are planning to fire from them afterwards.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by busterarm on Friday February 20, 2015 @09:10PM (#9084383)
But totally the right thing to do with firearms you're trying to dispose of.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by Crito on Friday February 20, 2015 @07:44PM (#9084092)
I wonder if peening might be sufficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peening
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by mschuster91 on Friday February 20, 2015 @02:54PM (#9082546)
Sounds certainly impressive, but can't this analysis be stopped/manipulated by simply stamping another serial number or a dot-matrix pattern over the original serial?

And what happens when the area is heated, e.g. with acetylene, short before melting point?

Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by kleer001 on Friday February 20, 2015 @04:07PM (#9083016)
Absolutely some people will adapt with this new knowledge. But I bet that many won't, as they'll have no idea. Not security through obfuscation, but security through people who're trying to cheat being ignorant of the hoops they have to jump through.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by pavel_lishin on Friday February 20, 2015 @03:02PM (#9082594)
It might not help going forward, but I'd wager it'll help close a few cases in the meanwhile.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by mschuster91 on Friday February 20, 2015 @03:25PM (#9082768)
Honestly I don't understand how utterly stupid criminals can be. Especially guys who planned the crime.

I'd say that being the son of a cop has its advantages in life ;)

Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by pavel_lishin on Friday February 20, 2015 @04:02PM (#9082982)
I... am not sure what you mean.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by fiatmoney on Friday February 20, 2015 @09:43PM (#9084448)
For instance, law enforcement in the great state of California is exempt from most restrictions on purchasing handguns, particularly the laws on "unsafe" handguns (which, quelle surprise, encompasses nearly every major manufacturers' latest and most popular models). They are further allowed to give or sell them to whomever they like, including presumably their kids.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by pixl97 on Friday February 20, 2015 @04:36PM (#9083208)
$meaning = decode_string("I\'d say that being the son of a cop has its advantages in life \;\)" ;

print $meaning;

"They will never find the bodies."

Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by mschuster91 on Friday February 20, 2015 @05:10PM (#9083404)
> "They will never find the bodies."

Heh, if I were on the run for murder the last thing I'd do is post stuff on the interwebs under real name. Especially not these days, when everyone and their dog can track each other (hello, SS#7)...

But I'd say the likelihood of me getting robbed or scammed is lower than the average...

Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by Retra on Friday February 20, 2015 @06:29PM (#9083792)
That's what someone one the run for murder would want us to think...
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by mschuster91 on Saturday February 21, 2015 @06:55AM (#9085333)
Murder is one of the most stupid crimes to commit - according to Wikipedia, 97.6% of all murder cases are solved.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Friday February 20, 2015 @04:45PM (#9083273)
I don't think heat treatment works... tends to change the hardness of iron-based alloys too much, often a big deal for a firearm (less clear though, whether it's relevant to VINs).
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by PhasmaFelis on Friday February 20, 2015 @09:08PM (#9084377)
A lot more criminals have access to a $2 file than can get their hands on a stamping machine, or even an acetylene torch. Anything that raises the bar is a net positive.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by wycx on Saturday February 21, 2015 @04:28AM (#9085141)
Perhaps as many criminal have access to a punch or a chisel plus a hammer as have access to a $2 file.
Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by sandworm on Friday February 20, 2015 @10:44PM (#9084584)
Are all serial numbers stamped?

I would imagine that some might be cut in. Laser? I presume that such numbers wouldn't create the changes needed for this technique.

Re:Crystal Pattern Matching Recovers Serial Numbers Oblitera... by themoogle on Friday February 20, 2015 @09:26PM (#9084420)
why not change the metal with say a quick spot weld or smack it with a nail and hammer randomly or small chisel? I wonder if a simple brazing rod would screw this recovery technique