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Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by Someone1234 on Thursday February 12, 2015 @01:29PM (#9040373)
That's a confusing sentiment. So deaf people shouldn't be given something for free, but they should get something for free "from the beginning?" Which is it?
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by sp332 on Thursday February 12, 2015 @01:34PM (#9040409)
The communication needs to be made accessible by the person or group who produces it. Not by some outside organization that goes around cleaning up other people's accessibility messes.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by Someone1234 on Thursday February 12, 2015 @01:54PM (#9040566)
Fair enough. So you're saying that deaf people ARE a charity case, you just want them to be a charity case for the original content producer rather than a third party?
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by sp332 on Thursday February 12, 2015 @02:14PM (#9040696)
Yeah, that could have been clearer. Deaf people are 100% as deserving of this content as non-deaf people. They should not be treated as a separate group. Captions are a required part of the distribution, not an optional add-on. There is not "the real message" and then "the message for deaf people".
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by ars on Thursday February 12, 2015 @06:10PM (#9041973)
So would you rather they don't distribute it at all, if they can't (or won't) caption it? (Not a rhetorical question, I'm actually asking you.)

Keep in mind that these are recordings of a professor talking - there is no script, no captions exist already.

The choice is paying for captioning, or not releasing at all.

If they are unwilling to pay, which should, in your opinion, they pick: Not release, or release without captions?

Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by justcommenting on Thursday February 12, 2015 @08:23PM (#9042365)
this is a false choice; no one would credibly make that sort of claim about audio-only courses in podcast form or video recordings without audio. you're focusing on the economics, and that's fine, but the court is focusing on whether it complies with the law.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by hga on Thursday February 12, 2015 @08:46PM (#9042438)
In their vicious PR http://nad.org/news/2015/2/nad-sues-harvard-and-mit-discrimi... they specifically call out a particular Harvard podcast.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by loco5niner on Friday February 13, 2015 @02:04PM (#9046402)
No, it is not a false choice.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by cl0ber on Thursday February 12, 2015 @05:04PM (#9041671)
This makes no sense. What's wrong with outsourcing something you're not very good at?

I don't speak Hindi, I'll happoly outsource the translation of video to an agency that can do this for me.

Same with sign language, I don't know it. I'll happily outsource to an agency that can do the sign language translation.

Care to explain why you think I should have the skills inhouse to suport multiple types of accessibility when those skills can be hired in via a third party?

Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by sp332 on Thursday February 12, 2015 @05:07PM (#9041686)
Outsource if you like, but at least pay for it. Don't make deaf people pay for something you gave for free to everyone else.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by lifeformed on Thursday February 12, 2015 @05:49PM (#9041886)
Should they also have to pay for translation to all languages?
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by sp332 on Friday February 13, 2015 @09:50AM (#9044558)
All languages in the target society, I guess. If e.g. Harvard doesn't have much presence in Swahili-speaking societies, there's not much damage in not having the video translated to Swahili. But if you are giving an advantage to some members of a society over others, you're treating the others as second-class citizens. They might even feel separated, because they can't participate in something that everyone else has access to.
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by cmelbye on Thursday February 12, 2015 @04:43PM (#9041589)
I'm kind of blown away by the down votes you're getting. I would be curious to hear why people are down voting?
Re:Harvard and M.I.T. Sued Over Failing to Caption Online Co... by barrkel on Thursday February 12, 2015 @08:56PM (#9042469)
If you want to give away something for free, why should you be forced to spend time and effort (and possibly money) to increase the value of your free offering?

Can you see why this would have a stifling effect on giving things away for free?

What would be the net gain to the world - is it better to have only a few free things that are accessible, or have many free things, only a fraction of which are accessible?

Making things accessible isn't free. Somebody has to pay. Forcing the producer to pay will reduce production. It's that simple.