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Re:One-electron universe by tempestn on Friday February 06, 2015 @03:46AM (#9008155)
I'm with Feynman. One electron sounds like nonsense. (Where exactly does the "looping around" happen, where it changes directions? Outside of time?) However, the idea of positrons as electrons moving backward in time is cool, and does seem like a convenient sort of an explanation for their creation and annihilation.
Re:One-electron universe by one-more-minute on Friday February 06, 2015 @05:48AM (#9008447)
The idea is that any time an electron-positron pair is created or destroyed is a change in direction.

Say a pair is created in space, they move around for five seconds, and annihilate each other. You could also explain that as a single electron in a loop – electron moves forwards in time for five seconds, changes direction (becomes a positron), moves back in time for five seconds, changes direction, the cycle repeats.

You can extend that to a set of two of electrons/positron pairs. Assuming each electron is created and destroyed with different positrons, you can again explain the system in terms of a single electron that changes direction four times. Add a few more in and you have a whole universe with one electron.

(That assumption may be a big one, which is where things fall down, but it's not nonsense. Also, bear in mind that the while idea of "moving" back in time is a helpful analogy, it's not very precise and shouldn't be taken too literally)

Re:One-electron universe by tempestn on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:08PM (#9014740)
Of course, yes. Thank you. For some reason my mental picture was limited to creation and annihilation events being the exception, with most particles existing 'throughout time', but that's what's nonsense.

In fact, if you consider that a lot of particles would have presumably been created in the big bang, at which point they would conveniently be in the same location in our other three dimensions as well, it's certainly conceivable that you could have a single particle pinballing back and forth as you (and I guess Wheeler) describe.

Of course, still far from a certainty, but a neat idea.

Re:One-electron universe by jarin on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:11AM (#9009629)
Going a little further with the thought (and I am definitely not a physicist), what if that electron "loop" (or even the "single electron") is itself moving within the four-dimensional space. Could that explain the particle wave function? Meaning a particle's location is expressed as a probability because its location really is random-ish (i.e. the loop is moving around) until it's "locked in" within our subjective "arrow of time" frame of reference by a particle interacting with it.

P.S. I acknowledge that I have absolutely no real-world basis for this idea, just a thought.

Re:One-electron universe by madaxe_again on Friday February 06, 2015 @05:22AM (#9008365)
What is this time thing you speak of? What is this "inside" of time that you imply the existence of?

An extrapolation from the one-electron-universe hypothesis is that the entire universe exists within a single point - this is why constants are constant across the universe, why matter is the same everywhere, why particles share properties, how tunnelling works, etc. - we just perceive it as being uncompacted from our reference frame, whatever or wherever that may be. Elements of some SUSY theories touch on this too - that there is only one string, that the universe is a projection from higher dimensions "curled up" in a planck-scale point....

Frankly, we can't know, and I'm not sure that we ever really can, due to the limitations of our faculties, and the rooting of our "reality" in how this particular collection of molecular machinery interacts with other physicality around it.

Re:One-electron universe by xyzzy123 on Friday February 06, 2015 @07:41AM (#9008705)
It's a (mathematically) multidimensional thing; if things can "move" there are clearly dimensions those things can be spread across.

There are lots of things we can't know, but it's like toothpaste; if we posit certain things as fixed, if our observations mean anything, something else has to vary.

Re:One-electron universe by pyrois on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:36AM (#9009134)
> There are lots of things we can't know, but it's like toothpaste; if we posit certain things as fixed, if our observations mean anything, something else has to vary.

...how is that like toothpaste?

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but... toothpaste?

Re:One-electron universe by kenbellows on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:49AM (#9009190)
Seconded. Your analogy is like a banana tree; no matter how many things vary, a horse is not an elephant.
Re:One-electron universe by nilkn on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:53AM (#9009213)
I have no idea, but maybe... by keeping the tube fixed, we know that it must be the toothpaste which will move?
Re:One-electron universe by avian on Friday February 06, 2015 @05:48AM (#9008448)
> Where exactly does the "looping around" happen, where it changes directions? Outside of time?

The idea is that what we see as an annihilation of an positron and an electron is just electron changing direction on the time axis.

Re:One-electron universe by bulte-rs on Friday February 06, 2015 @03:49PM (#9011445)
This makes me wonder: how would a change in direction in/on of the other axes (or manifolds?) on the "remaining" proposed 7 dimensions manifest themselves? Does stuff actually move on those axes or over/through other manifolds?
Re:One-electron universe by arethuza on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:56AM (#9009222)
"changing direction on the time axis"

Thanks - you have now rendered me incapable of doing anything productive for the rest of the work day as I stare out the window contemplating that concept.

Re:One-electron universe by dsfsdfd on Friday February 06, 2015 @08:30AM (#9008838)
I like the idea - why should everything be a different thing? I think that perhaps all things are actually different aspects one thing. It makes the universe much simpler.
Re:One-electron universe by ladygoogoo on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:56AM (#9009224)
That has a name: Neutral Monism [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_monism

Re:One-electron universe by dsfsdfd on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:21AM (#9009343)
Thanks for this, was not aware of the name :)