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Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by _delirium on Saturday January 31, 2015 @05:06PM (#8978274)
Miscellaneous comments on the article, from the perspective of a Greek-American who's lived some years in Denmark. Admittedly a bit disjointed and anecdotal, but then so was the article...

1. The biggest "contentedness" aspect imo is not only people's economic position, but extraordinarily high confidence in it. To compare with neighboring Germany, Germans are economically not much worse off, and their poverty rate is only moderately higher. But middle-class and especially lower-middle-class Germans feel much less secure about their status. In Eurostat surveys, something like 10-15% of Danes report worrying that they or a family member might fall into poverty, but it's ~40% in Germany (and higher in other parts of Europe).

2. I haven't found this part to be at all true: Newspaper editor Anne Knudsen had an interesting theory relating to why the Danes continue to respond positively to happiness surveys: “In Denmark it is shameful to be unhappy,” she told me.

It's possible this isn't what she means, but in my experience Danes are much more likely to be open about things like being treated for depression than Americans are; it's still seen as shameful in the US to a much greater extent. The social system also supports it, e.g. students or employees sometimes take off time due to mental-health issues or stress, and are usually pretty open about it.

3. I don't find the "Jante Law" particularly useful as an interpretative device for understanding Scandinavian society, at least in the big cities (I've never lived in Herning or Randers or such, so can't speak to them). The novel it comes from is mainly a satire of small-town mentality of the era it was written (the 1930s, when most of Scandinavia's population lived in such towns). Some parts are distinctively Scandinavian, but in my opinion most are not. For comparison, read Sinclair Lewis's 1920 novel Main Street, a satire of American small-town mentality, and you'll find a very similar mentality being parodied. And you still find it in the U.S. quite a bit; there's a deep suspicion in smaller town and rural areas of people who are perceived as thinking that they're "better" than their roots.

Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by lomnakkus on Saturday January 31, 2015 @06:16PM (#8978468)
(I'm not native to .dk, but I have lived there for a very long time. "Integrated", as it were.)

#1: The surveys are probably right, but maybe the Danish are just more optimistic and haven't been terrified by Krampus at an early age (and thus been conditioned to live up to some ridiculous ideal)?

#2: I must admit, I have a hard time interpreting that quote about "shameful to to be unhappy". People I talk to pretty regularly go "meh" when asked "how do you do?". As opposed to the Americans I've met that go "GREAT!"... where I'm pretty suspicious that they've been truthful at all.)

#3: Naw, doesn't really apply any more except in the Danish equivalent of the Daily Mail (or whatever).

Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by tokai on Saturday January 31, 2015 @06:02PM (#8978423)
Yeah you second point seems off. I have meet English people complaining about talking to danes. I was told that if you ask a dane "How are you?" as a greeting, danes would reply with a long winding answer of how their life currently is.
Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by mclemme on Saturday January 31, 2015 @08:26PM (#8978788)
I always find it a bit strange and it takes me a few days to adapt, when I'm in countries where "how are you?" is a common way to greet someone (I'm from Denmark & live in Cph).

It feels very rude for me to just answer with a "great/fine/ok and you?" when someone asks me how I am, I think is has something to do with that the Danish version of that sentence (hvordan har du det?) is something that is most often said to someone when that person is having a tough time or is sick or if the person saying it is worried about the other persons emotional well-being.

Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by cylinder on Saturday January 31, 2015 @11:05PM (#8979126)
Well, I'm born and raised American, and I still find it odd that people say "how are you" rhetorically here. What's the point? They even look at you funny if you respond with "Good!" Here in New York, you see an acquaintance in the halls, they say "Hey how are you," you respond "Good how are you" and the other person doesn't even answer at all! It seems extremely rude to me and I'm from here, I can only imagine what a foreign visitor thinks.
Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by _delirium on Sunday February 01, 2015 @07:44AM (#8979735)
I can imagine it being odd for some foreign visitors, but plenty of other languages use similar constructs, so it should be familiar to many visitors. The American usage of how are you? or how's it going? as a friendly greeting isn't much different from the Greek τι κάνεις;, the Spanish ¿cómo estás?, the German wie geht's?, etc. In all those cases the type of answer that's expected depends on social context, ranging from a quick "fine, you?" to varying degrees of an actual answer.
Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by lomnakkus on Monday February 02, 2015 @06:07PM (#8987732)
As _delirium said it's probably a language/culture thing. If you were to ask an Englishman "how do you do?" the culturally acceptable thing to say, is "how do you do?" back or just to signal with e.g. a small nod that you acknowledge the greeting. And it really is just a greeting, not an actual thing someone is asking you.

(Unfortunately this carries over to all sorts of social interactions/situations that I'm not conscious/aware of, but this is one that I'm pretty sure about.)

Re:The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness by MrJagil on Sunday February 01, 2015 @04:34AM (#8979551)
As a dane who moved to NYC, it was really confusing. Only an hour into my stay, the subway lady asked how i was, and though i thought it was overly kind of her to ask, I told her of my exhaustion from my flight, just to be polite. she abruptly cut me off. Funny in hindsight.