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Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by crag on Saturday January 03, 2015 @11:55PM (#8833387)
I agree completely. And believe it or not, I went back to Windows. Sort of. I'm testing the waters. My big issue is iTunes. Yeah I drank the kool-aid and now have an iTunes library of about 100GB. Despite how much I hate what iTunes has become at least is runs on Windows.

Also, it's easier to "turn features off" in Windows than OSX these days. I'm sad about it though. But after 14 years on Mac I'm done. It was the upgrade to 10.10 that finally pissed me off enough to leave.

By the way, anyone know of a good terminal app for Windows? Not too crazy about Powershell. I have been using Git Bash and that's decent so far.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by lozf on Sunday January 04, 2015 @05:14PM (#8836084)
If by having an "iTunes" library you mean it has some old DRMd 128kbps AAC files, I believe they'll let you download non-DRMd 256kbps versions which will then play in most decent media players. AAC achieves transparency at lower bitrates than MP3, and compatibility really isn't much of a problem these days. Windows users seem to like foobar2000, MusicBee, or dBPowerAmp so you can move on from iTunes.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by ronjouch on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:41AM (#8833514)
> By the way, anyone know of a good terminal app for Windows? Not too crazy about Powershell. I have been using Git Bash and that's decent so far.

Reading your expectations and gripes, I'd say try http://bliker.github.io/cmder/ , the goodness of clink bundled with ConEmu and a sexy Monokai theme.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by girvo on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:46AM (#8833525)
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by TD-Linux on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:12AM (#8833436)
Why can't you migrate your music collection away from iTunes? I thought the DRM was killed long ago.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by JohnTHaller on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:57AM (#8833544)
Apple removed the DRM from new music sales. All existing music sold before then is still DRM locked. When Apple discontinued DRM, they made user spend $0.30 per song to unlock them (seriously). Now, it appears you can spend $25 for iTunes Match, ensure the affected songs are available, delete the local DRM-infected ones, and it will download proper ones to replace them.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by oneeyedpigeon on Sunday January 04, 2015 @10:32AM (#8834653)
iTunes Match brings its own issues to the party. I've had songs that I own, with 'explicit content', that I've hand-ripped, converted into radio friendly abominations that are, frankly, unlistenable. Maybe that's just Apple's 'family-friendly' values shining through; that might be appropriate for some, but I don't have a Big Brother in real life, and I don't want one messing with my music collection either!
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by acdha on Sunday January 04, 2015 @11:09AM (#8834778)
You can redownload DRM-free versions for free:

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/kill-itunes-drm/

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by ptman on Sunday January 04, 2015 @06:37AM (#8834143)
There were programs for removing the DRM from iTunes files. I used one successfully. Maybe they don't work anymore? I don't know.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by walterbell on Sunday January 04, 2015 @01:22AM (#8833599)
Or you can burn your DRM songs to CD, then rip to DRM-free MP3.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by danieldk on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:02AM (#8833664)
Encoding music that has lossy compression with a lossy compressor? Not a good idea ;).
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by crag on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:22AM (#8833458)
Know a good music player for Windows? And don't tell me Windows Media Player. :)
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by ronjouch on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:38AM (#8833503)
http://www.foobar2000.org/ is a fantastic piece of software. Extremely efficient/powerful/customizable (and closed-source). I sorely miss it under Linux, Rhythmbox/Quodlibet/Amarok/Clementine don't even come close.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by elementai on Monday January 05, 2015 @05:45AM (#8838165)
What powerful features does one need in music player? Or, what features do you miss in OSS players?
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by morganvachon on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:46AM (#8833523)
WMP actually isn't that bad these days, though all I use it for is ripping CDs (yep, those shiny plastic things for you young'uns) since it's great at that. For playback in Windows, I've stuck with Winamp through the years as I haven't found anything that works the way it does without a bunch of features I don't need. I tried Foobar2000 and couldn't get into it, and MediaMonkey just seemed like overkill.

By the way, a great site for finding apps in specific genres is alternativeto.net. Here's a list of alternatives to iTunes:

http://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/?platform=windows

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by morganvachon on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:48PM (#8835556)
I'll never understand this community...downvoted because I use WMP (oh the horror), or downvoted because I was trying to be helpful?
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by carlivar on Sunday January 04, 2015 @01:01AM (#8833553)
I moved to Linux (Ubuntu) and migrated a HUGE iTunes library along with it. I now use Clementine as my music management / player. I believe there's a way to import an iTunes library, but the iTunes metadata is all in one big XML file. So I wrote a script that loads all my metadata into Clementine's sqlite database.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by bphogan on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:44AM (#8833518)
I can't tell you in words how awesome this is.

http://www.jriver.com/

But I have used it for 10 years and it's the only reason I still have Windows machines in my house. It's that good.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by everyone on Sunday January 04, 2015 @01:07AM (#8833565)
Winamp is still my preference.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by roadnottaken on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:00AM (#8833407)
Cygwin
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by PhasmaFelis on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:51AM (#8833531)
I use Cygwin on a regular basis. It's basically indispensible, because it's the only thing that does what it does. But I get the strong impression that it was designed to punish Windows users. Just off the top of my head:

* It has no idea about Windows file system conventions. IIRC, the default install directory is "C:\Cygwin".

* The "default" install is super bare-bones, and missing a lot of pretty basic Unix utils. This would be a minor complaint, except:

* The installer--the bit that you download--is also the package manager. This means that if you install it and then delete the installer like a responsible, space-conserving user, then the first time you realize that you don't have, I dunno, rsync, you have to download the installer again. And then, unless you having to manually navigate to your Downloads folder every time you want to install a damn package, you have to find a place for it to live on your drive and set up a start-menu shortcut for it. These things are why we invented installers, so why doesn't the installer do them?

* And, as you may have guessed from that last bit, there is no way to install packages from within the Cygwin terminal. In fact, you have to close all open terminals every time you want to run the package manager. You can imagine how much fun that is. The excuse for this is "such a program would need full access to all of Cygwin's POSIX functionality. That is, however, difficult to provide in a Cygwin-free environment, such as exists on first installation." In other words, they can't provide a proper package manager because then they couldn't make the installer and the package manager the same program which they shouldn't be fucking doing anyway.

* Every time you run the installer/package manager, you have to click "Okay" seven times (yes, I counted) to confirm a load of options that you will almost certainly never change after first install.

This ran way longer than I intended. Apparently I am fussed. :-/ The thing that really gets me is that this isn't even a case of Unix grognards not knowing or caring about Windows standards. There is no modern OS where installing an application off of the root directory is acceptable. I don't get it.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by x0054 on Sunday January 04, 2015 @01:55AM (#8833654)
I think Cygwin is trying to be an Operating system ontop another operating system. Windows is in C:\Windows, so there is some logic behind Cygwin being in C:\Cygwin. It's not ideal, but I wouldn't call it all together illogical.

The package management is indeed a mass. The install.exe should literally install ONLY the barebones system plus some kind of terminal app, like Putty (because CMD is a pain to use), and then open the terminal to continue installation from there.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by Anthony-G on Sunday January 04, 2015 @07:42AM (#8834247)
I look in on the Cygwin users' mailing list every now and again and I have a lot of respect for the devs and how they run their project, finding a usable middle ground between Windows and Linux (Cygwin at its core is a DLL that emulates POSIX and Linux-specific system calls).

The installer being the package manager threw me when I first started using Cygwin. However, when I researched the issue, I can see how the choice made sense. Unlike a Linux system, you can't upgrade the Cygwin DLL in-place while it's running.

apt-cyg [1] is a nice simple bash script for managing Cygwin packages. I find very useful for avoiding the GUI installer when I just need to add or remove a few packages. For software that doesn't require an upgrade of the Cygwin DLL, they can be installed / removed from inside Cygwin itself.

[1] https://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by pmontra on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:52AM (#8833788)
I used Cygwin when I was on Windows but my advice is to use Windows for the client programs and run a headless Linux VM for everything else. Export its filesystem so you can use Windows to edit files but ssh to Linux to work with a terminal. You'll get a real package manager too.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by catern on Sunday January 04, 2015 @01:15AM (#8833582)
So? Who cares about Windows conventions? You're using Cygwin to escape Windows.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by cheepin on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:16AM (#8833704)
I only use Cygwin because its the only way to use certain tools. I run a tidy Windows install otherwise. I wouldn't use it at all if I didn't need to.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by PhasmaFelis on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:11PM (#8835628)
Did you stop reading after the third sentence? I addressed that specifically later on. A lot of Cygwin's behavior is no more acceptable in Unix than in Windows.

And no, I don't use Cygwin to "escape" Windows. Windows is a perfectly functional GUI for casual daily use. I use Cygwin because it provides useful tools and utilities that aren't available in Windows.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by bdcravens on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:40AM (#8833768)
Still runs in the Windows terminal, right? Small as it seems, one of the first things to push me to OSX from Windows was the ease of copying and pasting in and out of the terminal.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by Anthony-G on Sunday January 04, 2015 @07:23AM (#8834222)
For the past couple of years, it uses mintty (based on the same code as putty) as its default terminal. I find mintty to be a very fine terminal emulator and is easily configurable; its default colour for rendering ANSI Blue was too dark for my liking but I was able to change it to the same colour that xterm uses.

It supports UTF8, 256 colours; copy-pasting is simple and easy. I suppose the only mainstream feature it's lacking is tabs -- but that doesn't bother me.

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by hirsin on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:59AM (#8833800)
This is fixed for Windows 10 thankfully, along with a few other features that have been missing a while [1]. Multi-line copy, paste good paste support (correct formatting), newlines following resizes, transparency, etc.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/window...

Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by jqm on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:56AM (#8833797)
No, it has it's own terminal. Pretty nice too. I use it at work when I have to use Windows.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by moinnadeem on Sunday January 04, 2015 @12:10AM (#8833427)
You cannot get better. About as close to Bash as you can get on Windows.
Re:Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak by imron on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:49AM (#8833889)
Git bash is better.