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Re:Saving a Project and a Company by joshu on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @01:40PM (#8815942)
I do similar things - DD, system repair (though I am usually much further up the stack to include product, organizational, and business structure issues), etc. Unfortunately it is often on a favor basis rather than paid.

I've been tempted several times to form the League of Extraordinary Gentlepersons or something similar. You broke it, we fix it.

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by jacquesm on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @03:35PM (#8816597)
That's more or less what I've been doing but informally.

Making a corporate structure for something like this hard, I came up with a model a couple of years ago called 'The Modular Company' but the bookkeeping is a nightmare if you want it to be fair.

Still, I keep coming back to it and one of these days, who knows...

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by lifeisstillgood on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @06:18PM (#8817316)
I'm in an odd position of trying to form something like this (focused specifically on python development in finance). 2015 is hopefully going to be a good year - I actually have sort-of backing and if I can find time it might take off (god, just reading those caveats makes me wonder)

Anyway - I would be interested in any thoughts or traps to avoid - if indeed we are talking about the same structures.

Do drop me a line (contact details in profile)

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by pjungwir on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @08:24PM (#8817834)
Like in coding, complexity in a business partnership might be a warning. The book Managing the Professional Service Firm by David Meister has a lot of lessons for anyone running a traditional parter/associates firm, and the last part talks about splitting the profits. My read is that a "dumb" approach (equal split or simple seniority-based) is okay, and a "judgment" approach (publish criteria, but have a committee make the final decisions) is okay, but a metrics-based approach is risky. I agree, and for small operations I think the simpler the better. Anyway, if it's something you're thinking about, the book is a solid, meaty read.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by jacquesm on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @07:44PM (#8817705)
ok, I'll do that tomorrow. 1:44 am now, bedtime for me.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by joshu on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @10:32PM (#8818142)
Yeah, maybe just consulting? I dunno. Getting paid would be nice, I usually just have an investor-type relationship.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by jacquesm on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @06:57AM (#8819020)
> I usually just have an investor-type relationship.

Then in a way you do get paid (eventually, I hope...).

> Yeah, maybe just consulting?

That's one way to keep it simple.

But there has to be a better way, especially because the nicest flowers grow at the edge of the abyss.

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by joshu on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @12:37PM (#8820191)
Then necessarily that requires taking risk. Do you want shares in the companies that get to the point where they need a your help?
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by jacquesm on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @06:32PM (#8821581)
That really is the key question isn't it? I can see some ways out of that and some sets of companies (not many) where that would be the case but it's going to be hard to turn them around once they reach that stage. Maximum risk = maximum potential gain, it's never been any different.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by joshu on Thursday January 01, 2015 @12:38PM (#8823552)
Sure. But consider adverse selection? The ones that need the help are in a different part of the spectrum than the ones that don't.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by thaumaturgy on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @02:25PM (#8816194)
I would really love to see that, along with the occasional writeup from your adventures. (And don't forget to invite rachelbythebay, her troubleshooting posts are some of my favorite HN content.)
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by rimantas on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @02:45PM (#8816320)
If you haven't read it yet this is the book you might enjoy: The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by thaumaturgy on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @03:19PM (#8816518)
Hmm, the book description makes it sound more like Yet Another Process Management book (e.g. "Lean ", "Waterfall ", "Six Sigma *", etc.) rather than a collection of nuts-and-bolts war stories. Is that not accurate?

I leave the process management stuff up to other folks, they're better salespeople than I am. They get paid to beat other people into submission; I get paid to beat servers into submission. :-) (Though not in Jacques' or Rachel's league.)

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by wpietri on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @03:12PM (#8816477)
That would be awesome. I've occasionally done rescues and it can be really fun. So often people aren't willing to listen about organizational problems. But once you have solved some ugly, expensive technical problem, they are suddenly much more willing to consider changes that will prevent them from having the same problem in the future.

Perhaps some sort of league would solve some of the problems in doing that sort of work. E.g., the burstiness, the sudden need for specialized skills, the pipeline issues.

Re:Saving a Project and a Company by fold on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @02:28PM (#8816207)
What is DD short for? My google powers are not strong enough...
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by GVRV on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @02:44PM (#8816312)
Due Diligence?
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by lutorm on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @05:29PM (#8817103)
It's also the hull class designation for a destroyer.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by joshu on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @10:28PM (#8818137)
Due dilligence.
Re:Saving a Project and a Company by reitanqild on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @07:10PM (#8817562)
Old unix tool . See also ddrecue, a (couple of) nifty variation(s) on the theme.