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Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by kyledrake on Saturday December 20, 2014 @07:58AM (#8776527)
The last time people got this crazy about a hack, Kevin Mitnick was thrown in solitary confinement for months because they thought he could "whistle nuclear launch codes into prison telephones". 2600 made the documentary about it, Freedom Downtime, and I strongly recommend watching it if you never have.

So what if North Korea did it (of course I'm skeptical of this, anyone with a computer can conduct the same activities, with the motivator of trolling the entire world for fun). It's not a big deal, it's not something that requires US presidential intervention. It's not even remotely as big of a deal as the CIA torture report that just came out. The CIA report threatens our legitimacy as a world power. The Sony hack just costs a corporation some money, maybe (free publicity FTW). Big. Deal.

If this is the worst a hacker can do, I'd love to see all future wars replaced with hacking. I'll take that over agent orange and torture any day.

This sad, sick notion that hackers are terrorist enemy #1 and this is the most important thing governments should be working on is, like this movie will probably be, shitty fiction, a self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuated by Hollywood in movies like War Games that make it look like we're all going to be nuked thousands of times if we don't stop the Hacker menace. Help me change the media's perception of hacking before we start throwing more whistleblowers and e-graffiti artists in prison.

TLDR: Sony got hacked, too bad, learn a lesson and fix your computer security, let's not start WW3 over it shall we?

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by downandout on Saturday December 20, 2014 @12:02PM (#8777123)
>The CIA report threatens our legitimacy as a world power. The Sony hack just costs a corporation some money, maybe (free publicity FTW). Big. Deal.

It is a big deal actually. Sony and these movie theaters taught the world that US businesses are so risk averse that they will give into any threat - credible or not. The crazies will now come out of the woodwork. Not every business will give in, but the volume of threats and the disruption they cause will vastly increase.

A foreign dictator just told the US population that it isn't allowed to see a movie he doesn't like (false flag conspiracy theories aside - sometimes things are exactly what they appear to be). I am not sure how anyone can think this isn't a big deal worthy of presidential intervention.

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by tmzt on Saturday December 20, 2014 @12:12PM (#8777149)
Somebody did, who we can not actually confirm.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by encoderer on Saturday December 20, 2014 @12:43PM (#8777239)
Sony is not a US Business...
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by a3n on Saturday December 20, 2014 @04:06PM (#8777931)
> Sony is not a US Business...

Yep, it sure is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment

"Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. (SPE) is the American entertainment subsidiary of Japanese multinational technology and media conglomerate Sony."

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by encoderer on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @12:29PM (#8793621)
The studio takes their direction from Japan-based Sony. Japan, in fact, required changes to The Interview assassination scene to tame it.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by a3n on Wednesday December 24, 2014 @02:49PM (#8794265)
Nevertheless, it's an American company, subject to and benefiting from American law enforcement. They are a relevant company for the FBI.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by gress on Saturday December 20, 2014 @01:13PM (#8777337)
Sony has US businesses.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by yourad_io on Saturday December 20, 2014 @08:37AM (#8776602)
> e-graffiti artists

That's brilliant. (I assume this refers to defacement s/kiddies)

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by Fogest on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:25AM (#8777002)
I don't think script kiddies could do this size of a hack, especially considering the amount of data involved and stay under the radar this long. If this is what a script kiddie is capable of... then what is a real hacker capable of?
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by pyre on Sunday December 21, 2014 @10:46AM (#8779965)
No one was saying that this was done by script kiddies, but IIRC there were monitors on Sony's network for suspicious activity, and they did flag some of the activity, but the relevant people were told to ignore it by Sony's 'security' team. (I imagine this means that they get lots of false-positives and were just too used to ignore the alerts?)
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by Fogest on Sunday December 21, 2014 @12:49PM (#8780329)
It seems like Sony did a lot of stuff wrong in the end but instead of owning up to the mistakes are going to claim that it was a terrorist attack on their syste .
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by yourad_io on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:32AM (#8777036)
That isnt what I or parent was saying.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by happyscrappy on Saturday December 20, 2014 @09:11AM (#8776650)
Only someone who has never run a business can be in favor of more crackers and script kiddies.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by skrebbel on Saturday December 20, 2014 @09:35AM (#8776712)
Yeah of course because who cares if people get tortured, mass raped, cluster bombed and starved as long as we get to keep running our little startups, right?

Wars vs more script kiddies and you'd really choose the wars? I'm disgusted.

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Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by DonHopkins on Saturday December 20, 2014 @01:24PM (#8777389)
Although you've answered twice, you're still avoiding the question.

He asked you if you prefer war over script kiddies, and said he's disgusted that you seem to. I agree.

Do you or don't you prefer actual war (including torture, rape, cluster bombs, starvation, etc) over "cyber warfare" (including script kiddies, copyright violation, web site graffiti and defacement, leaked email and photos, cyber bullying, doxing, inappropriate use of apostrophes, etc)?

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by vpalanc1 on Monday December 22, 2014 @05:19AM (#8782614)
I wouldn't put doxing in the same category as "web site graffiti and defacement". It has the potential to be psychologically every bit as damaging as rape...
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by DonHopkins on Monday December 22, 2014 @07:38AM (#8782863)
I'm sure Alfreda Bikowsky was psychologically damaged by being doxed as the key apologist and senior officer at the center of the CIA's torture scandals. But not as badly as the people who were physically damaged and killed by the torture she ordered and flew to witness because "She thought it would be cool to be in the room".

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/19/senior-cia-off...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfreda_Frances_Bikowsky

So how is what Alfreda Bikowsky did and was doxed for not as bad as anything script kiddies have ever done?

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by happyscrappy on Saturday December 20, 2014 @01:46PM (#8777478)
That is a straw man question. Meanwhile drone strikes are run from europe and whining with no action is considered good form there.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by happyscrappy on Saturday December 20, 2014 @09:43AM (#8776723)
There is going to be no real war over this hacking that is pure fucking fantasy. This is all just shit threading so we can talk about torture and continue the reddit like circle jerk.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by researcher88 on Saturday December 20, 2014 @10:01AM (#8776750)
And all Sony had to do was regularly back up, encrypt and delete the emails off their servers. This is the prime thing motivating their actions and driving their fear. And protect sensitive documents better but that seems secondary.

Leaving an ever accumlating pile of embarassing communications for someone to steal and then extort you for is not a national security weakness.

Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by peeters on Saturday December 20, 2014 @10:09AM (#8776766)
I don't know about you, but my ability to search and retrieve emails from months or years ago is critical in my job. You make it sound like it's an obvious choice.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by uxp on Saturday December 20, 2014 @12:59PM (#8777295)
In my job, and even more so in some previous, the ability to search and retrieve historical emails has been my legal requirement.
Re:An Offer to Sony from 2600 by personZ on Saturday December 20, 2014 @11:44AM (#8777072)
As peeters said, most organizations rely upon the historical volume of emails to operate effectively. This isn't a simple solution.

Add that a narrative around this story is that the hackers "spear phished" an IT admin. This is incredibly difficult to defend against for any organization (seriously -- for all of the browbeating against Sony on here -- it's all so simple -- I would argue that there are zero organizations that would withstand a concerted, targeted attack. Most would fall in a day). Not only did they purportedly co-opt a privileged account, they then sat on it for months.

Over months they could have changed policies, retrieved backups, and on and on.

When blaming Sony, everyone needs to remember that Snowden, a Dell contractor working at the NSA with limited access, took the King's Ransom from what is assumed to be the pinnacle of computer security and awareness.