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Re:Bad Microsoft by dingaling on Sunday December 14, 2014 @04:32AM (#8747849)
> You pay for car insurance in case someone plows into your automobile - why wouldn't you do the same for your career?

Few people willingly pay car insurance; fewer still have any confidence that their insurance will pay-out. But we pay the premiums because it is a legal requirement, even though it might be more effective for some people to put that money into a bond instead.

It's a similar situation for unions; few people expect that a union really protect them from a determined private-sector employer, so they assess the cost-benefit of such "insurance" to be negative. Particularly when the premium, much as in your example, costs a lot in terms of minimum wage.

Re:Bad Microsoft by glesica on Sunday December 14, 2014 @06:37AM (#8748050)
> Few people willingly pay car insurance; fewer still have any confidence that their insurance will pay-out. But we pay the premiums because it is a legal requirement, even though it might be more effective for some people to put that money into a bond instead.

What country are you from? In the US most people who can afford it have more than the legally-required car insurance and insurance companies are expected to pay out in the event of an accident.

A bond isn't insurance because, on average, it won't cover your expenses (if you earn enough on it to pay for a catastrophe, that means you didn't need it). The whole point of insurance (and unions) is to share risk over a large number of people, only some (random) fraction of whom will ever "need" the insurance.

Re:Bad Microsoft by chris_wot on Sunday December 14, 2014 @06:38AM (#8748051)
FWIW, if any Australians are reading this : Union fees are tax deductible. And your employer doesn't need to know your part of the union until absolutely necessary. Seriously, I know there is a lot of bad press about unions because of a few arseholes, but they are necessary and you may find you need them the longer Abbott is in power.
Re:Bad Microsoft by AaronIG on Sunday December 14, 2014 @01:22PM (#8749041)
Just to add, union dues and initiation fees are also tax deductible in the U.S.; however, you can only deduct the amount above and beyond 2% of your AGI.
Re:Bad Microsoft by xorcist on Sunday December 14, 2014 @05:50AM (#8747976)
Is it really that different in other parts of the world? Over here a minimum car insurance is mandatory but pretty much everyone pays for increased coverage. You don't want to be on the receiving end of the bills after a chain reaction of traffic accidents.

Regarding unions, it's first and foremost not a question of protection from a determined employer, but protection from specific parts of the company doing illegal and/or wrong things.

As soon as your company has more than 10 employees, it gets a whole lot more complex than "employer" and "employee".

Re:Bad Microsoft by divegeek on Sunday December 14, 2014 @08:47AM (#8748280)
Huh? I certainly expect my car insurance to pay out. I expect them to pay the minimum they can, which for collision insurance means "not quite enough to actually replace my car", but I expect them to fully cover any liability I might have, up to the limits of the coverage I bought.

Actual experience has borne out these expectations.

Re:Bad Microsoft by walshemj on Sunday December 14, 2014 @07:04AM (#8748098)
But to pay that amount for prospect membership you on 50% more than median salary for the UK.

I remember one jokey comment that low pay in prospect terms means some one who isn't paying any higher rate tax :-)

Re:Bad Microsoft by SixSigma on Sunday December 14, 2014 @08:08AM (#8748212)
> Few people willingly pay car insurance

By that rationale, no-one would by the more expensive fully-comprehensive insurance (where your own car is insured, not just third parties) but they do.

Re:Bad Microsoft by pionar on Sunday December 14, 2014 @08:14AM (#8748223)
Many people only buy the comprehensive insurance because their loan contract and/or lease terms require it.
Re:Bad Microsoft by pas on Monday December 15, 2014 @12:41AM (#8750820)
And that makes sense, you can just return the car and get a new one. And lease contracts fees reflect this. If you have a fixed term lease, then returning a car ahead of time costs you, so you opt to repair it, and probably the leasing company wants it repaired at a brand licensed garage, so higher prices on that means you're likely to get a proper insurance, but you get the lease for cheaper.
Re:Bad Microsoft by cdrx on Sunday December 14, 2014 @10:52AM (#8748551)
In the UK, fully-comprehensive insurance can often be cheaper than third-party only cover.