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Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by bugsbunny123 on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @04:31AM (#8692689)
Telegram isn't secure? Source please.
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by hucker on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @04:34AM (#8692705)
http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta...

Also, messages are not encrypted by default, and there is afaik no way to encrypt group chats. You have to create a special "secret" chat for the messages to be encrypted.

Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by jhasse on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:03AM (#8692818)
All messages are encrypted by default, but not client-client (in order to make cloud sync work): https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-just-make-all-chats-secre...
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by kristofferR on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:26AM (#8692899)
It is possible to create synced messages without depending on a server decrypting the messages. Here's how Tox is going to implement that: https://github.com/Quoturnix/ProjectTox-Core/wiki/Multiple-d...
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by jhasse on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:35AM (#8692930)
True, but Tox requires a password for that. Telegram tries to be an alternative to WhatsApp so forcing people to sign up with an account isn't an option.
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by furyg3 on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @04:34AM (#8692706)
It's the other way around. Messaging apps need to demonstrate their own security by releasing the source code.

So far only TextSecure does this.

Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by eps on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:50AM (#8692974)
One doesn't demonstrate security by releasing the source.

One needs to have source released, audited and verified to match prebuilt binaries that are actually used by the unwashed gray masses. Without all three checked for each public build you have zero assurance that you are running a binary built from the released source and that the source doesn't have anything fishy in it.

The only app that checks all three, somewhat ironically, is TrueCrypt. PGPfone checked #1 and #3. TextSecure checks just #1 unless I am missing something, so objectively its "demonstrated security" is exactly the same as that of any another app that simply describes what it does in plain English and has a traffic to prove it.

Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by kissickas on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @12:34PM (#8695074)
The Truecrypt audit still hasn't been finished yet, has it?
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by jhasse on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @05:04AM (#8692825)
Telegram's client code is also open source.
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by b3tta on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @04:35AM (#8692708)
Re:Wire – Modern Communications Network by JonoBB on Wednesday December 03, 2014 @04:37AM (#8692720)