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Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by jude- on Thursday November 20, 2014 @10:24PM (#8639655)
> you dont have to use journald. you can send back from journald to syslog

That's a contradiction. You're running journald even if it's dead weight.

Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by digi_owl on Friday November 21, 2014 @03:11AM (#8640307)
And if journald goes belly up, no logs for syslog...
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by pjmlp on Friday November 21, 2014 @03:54AM (#8640427)
As if syslog cannot go belly up as well.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by e12e on Friday November 21, 2014 @11:42AM (#8641998)
Lets assume for the sake of argument that logind (a new codebase) is about as stable as syslog (anyone of which are several years old, well tested). Layering one on top of the other, you now have doubled the chance of one of them going belly up.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by feld on Friday November 21, 2014 @08:08AM (#8641059)
When have you ever seen syslog go belly up?
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by general_failure on Friday November 21, 2014 @10:26AM (#8641667)
You are clearly too young to remember. But don't worry journal will get there
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by feld on Saturday November 22, 2014 @09:45AM (#8645612)
That's the entire point. Syslog has years of stability and reliability. You don't just throw that away, especially for such an important role.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by pjmlp on Friday November 21, 2014 @10:26AM (#8641668)
Can you assure it is 100% failure proof in all UNIX variants that have one running?
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by the_mitsuhiko on Friday November 21, 2014 @04:12AM (#8640463)
And if syslog goes belly up no logs. What's your point?
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by chronid on Friday November 21, 2014 @05:28AM (#8640648)
So now instead of syslog we have journald AND syslog - we only doubled the risk of something going boom and taking away our ability to log. I don't think that's nice.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by lil_cain on Friday November 21, 2014 @05:40AM (#8640688)
You used have one component that needed to fail to start losing logs. Now you have two.
Re:Systemd redux: The end of Linux by zobzu on Friday November 21, 2014 @11:15AM (#8641879)
Technically its really just a socket dup