Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee
by teddyh on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @01:49PM
(#8631808)
This “binary logs!” thing is approaching FUD-like levels. “The logs” will not be binary. The logs will be where they have always been, in the format they have always been in. Sure, journald has some binary logs of its own, but it puts all the log messages also into the normal syslog daemon, so nothing changes.
As far as I can tell, the whole brouhaha started when there was a bug in the packaging of syslog-ng so it would not start properly after installing systemd. Since syslog-ng was not running, the only logs left were journald’s binary logs, and people assumed that “systemd ate my log files!”. No. It was a bug, the bug was not even in systemd, your log files will always be where you want them.
Unless you uninstall your syslog daemon, but then you are on your own.
Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee
by jude- on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @04:04PM
(#8632613)
Either I'm using journald to log to a binary format, or I'm having journald forward everything to syslog. If I'm trying to avoid binary logs in the first place, then there's really no point for journald to be running--just forward directly to syslog in the first place. Journald is just dead weight in this use-case.
Re:Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee
by teddyh on Thursday November 20, 2014 @04:27AM
(#8634968)
Actually, journald exists for a number of reasons, listed here:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1IC9yOXj7j6cdLLxWEBA...
One i found some months back when the whole systemd issue got my attention was of someone that ended up doing a parallel arch install to read the journald logs.
Going from memory the problem seemed to be that he could not run the required command to get the logs dumped into readable form without systemd running as pid1. And systemd was refusing to boot for no apparent reason.
Thats the kind of thing that will get seasoned admins, that are used to cat being all you need to get at the logs, backing away with a "no way, no how".