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Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by CalRobert on Friday November 07, 2014 @07:22AM (#8572174)
As someone who moved to a new country, the city center was the only place I really wanted to live because it's the best place from which to get to know a city and make connections. The difference between "I live in the burbs and take the train in to the city center now and then" and "I can walk out my front door and be in a museum, my choice of several pubs, etc. in 5 minutes" is huge. It's also handy for meeting people; you can build networks more easily than when you're geographically separated. Those same networks can be preserved after moving, though.

Now that I've been here for a couple years I'd be fine with a nearby (within 2km of city center) suburb, but that's only because I'm familiar enough with the city that I don't need to explore it daily. If I had started off living in those burbs I would know the city much less than I do now.

Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by moron4hire on Friday November 07, 2014 @10:10AM (#8572808)
I haven't been to Berlin, so I don't know exactly how big it is, but one would not typically call "within 2km of city center" a suburb. One would typically call 2km from a city center, "the next neighborhood over in the city".

Suburbs aren't a "not the cool, trendy area of a city" thing. They are a driving thing. They are completely different towns, not other neighborhoods in the same city. It doesn't count if you can easily walk the distance every day. Think more like 20km.

I mean, really, Millenium Park in Chicago is almost 2km long. The National Mall in Washington DC is about 3km. Central Park in New York City is over 4km long.

Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by CalRobert on Friday November 07, 2014 @11:56AM (#8573431)
I live in Dublin, and am specifically thinking of places like Rathmines, Ranelagh, and Drumcondra as suburbs. These places have a more suburban character, with a distinctly residential feel, but are only 2-4 km from city center. Dublin's not a big city, though. You are correct in your examples from large American cities, but I'm not sure they're broadly applicable outside the US.

The US is, of course, different and drastically distorted thanks to building everything for cars instead of people. Human scale "cities" aren't 60km across. I'm not even sure they deserve to be called cities, but are rather a new sort of urban-ish agglomeration.

Before moving here I lived in Santa Monica. It was about the best I could do for finding a place where I could walk to anything interesting, and even then we're talking about fairly lengthy walks. When you get around by bike, walking, and public transit your sense of scale changes drastically, and you realize that most US "cities" built since 1920 are sprawling fields of asphalt with a building sprinkled here and there. That being said, I'm glad I was in Santa Monica where I was at least able to cycle to a reasonable number of things, and not, say, Northridge, or another place where the parking lots are almost as big as Dublin's downtown.

Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by xxpor on Friday November 07, 2014 @11:09AM (#8573136)
>I haven't been to Berlin, so I don't know exactly how big it is, but one would not typically call "within 2km of city center" a suburb. One would typically call 2km from a city center, "the next neighborhood over in the city".

This is an American/Canadian vs Australian (and possibly European) thing.

From speaking to Australians, Downtown is the Central Business District, and everything else is a suburb.

Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by moron4hire on Friday November 07, 2014 @11:25AM (#8573246)
It seems weird to think of anything that is a part of the urban area be called sub-urban.
Re:Interactive map shows where native and new Berliners live by PavlovsCat on Friday November 07, 2014 @11:47AM (#8573376)
I'm not sure where one would place the "center" of Berlin, but Berlin-Mitte (which you could translate as "Berlin Central") is really mostly banks and insurance companies, tourists and expensive hotels. It's not very urban, or alive. It's just... there.