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Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by downandout on Friday October 31, 2014 @03:42AM (#8537716)
I wasn't particularly disturbed by this article until I got to the following passage regarding the "Voice Command" feature:

"Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party."

I don't think there is a prison horrible enough to send these people to. There is NO legitimate reason that an always-on audio feed from your home should be sent to third parties. People shouldn't even be allowed to opt-in to something like that. No one would EVER knowingly allow this, regardless of the functionality it enabled.

I cannot envision a circumstance in which this "feature" was not put in at the direct request of law enforcement. I am extremely disappointed that he did not name the manufacturer of this TV in the article (unless he made it all up to get clicks). If this is legitimate, he needs to post the manufacturer's name and they need be boycotted, immediately, forever. Consumers need to adopt a scorched earth strategy with companies like this.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by enobrev on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:17AM (#8537789)
Google led me to Samsung. Under the "Voice Recognition" section [1]

Voice Recognition

You can control your SmartTV, and use many of its features, with voice commands.

If you enable Voice Recognition, you can interact with your Smart TV using your voice. To provide you the Voice Recognition feature, some voice commands may be transmitted (along with information about your device, including device identifiers) to a third-party service that converts speech to text or to the extent necessary to provide the Voice Recognition features to you. In addition, Samsung may collect and your device may capture voice commands and associated texts so that we can provide you with Voice Recognition features and evaluate and improve the features. Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition.

If you do not enable Voice Recognition, you will not be able to use interactive voice recognition features, although you may be able to control your TV using certain predefined voice commands. While Samsung will not collect your spoken word, Samsung may still collect associated texts and other usage data so that we can evaluate the performance of the feature and improve it.

You may disable Voice Recognition data collection at any time by visiting the “settings” menu. However, this may prevent you from using all of the Voice Recognition features."

1: http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/info/privacy-SmartTV.html

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by imgabe on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:49AM (#8538128)
Isn't that exactly how Google's voice recognition works? And Siri's too I assume? Your phone doesn't have the processing power to do speech-to-text on the fly, so it sends it to a server to do it. I don't see a vast government conspiracy behind this. If they can make the TV a bit cheaper by putting in a less powerful processor and taking advantage of the always present high speed Internet connection, of course they would do that.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by TeMPOraL on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:25AM (#8538881)
> Your phone doesn't have the processing power to do speech-to-text on the fly, so it sends it to a server to do it.

This is what I don't get. I used to play with Microsoft's SpeechAPI back in 2007 and it was pretty decent at real-time speech recognition - almost perfect, if you limited your program to a pre-defined command grammar. It was all done completely off-line, real-time on a machine that had much less processing power than your average smartphone of today. I don't see anything inherent in speech recognition that would require so much processing power that the phone can't handle it real-time. The only reason I see is that continuous moving of everything to cloud because it's easier to capture revenue stream that way.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by wahsd on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:20PM (#8539579)
The point is that it is a choice, a deliberate choice. Without sending the date, i.e., your output, to corporate servers, they can't profit from your person. Hate to say this and many may believe that it's over the top, but humans are ever increasingly becoming nothing more than a commodity. Kind of like a cow on a ranch. You monitor it and groom it and prepare its feed in accordance with stages of development and tweak your inputs all in order to squeeze the optimal amount of profit out of the cow....I mean human.

Unfortunately, even YCombinator, just like a vast majority of tech companies, are guilty of supporting this notion. There is no respect or regard for privacy and ownership of your person. if it escapes your flesh and bones, it is deemed fair game to harvest by anyone. You and your actions and your speech and your image and your location are a commodity to be optimized for profit. Say moo, mothertrucker.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by lbotos on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:53AM (#8539419)
While I agree that a component is revenue, I also think the "big data" factor of it is important. All of those usage stats (Where/when/what was said/) would definitely help to shape future products and integrations. (50% of people want to order pizza, maybe we should integrate some pizza thing vs. the 5% that want to do advanced math, etc)

EDIT: I'm also one of those guys who's like "no I'm not signing up to X service because they don't need more data about me" but I get the double-edged sword and how more of the right data makes certain decisions easier.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by S4M on Tuesday November 04, 2014 @06:25AM (#8556017)
I couldn't agree more with your comment. Maybe there is a way to collect data about user only after they have been anonymized, so the data would contain only what user_xxx does, with no way to map user_xxx to his real identity.

I don't think it's trivial, but I hope to see some regulations coming in the way the data are collected and stored.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by ezy on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:23PM (#8541760)
Uh, this is just a total misunderstanding of how and why these systems work the way they do.

Of course command grammars are recognized on the device, otherwise you wouldn't be able to turn your TV on using a command or use basic functions in a speedy manner.

And, of course they send audio data to a server -- because your TV does not have a complete language model for up to date web search or even tv guide installed a priori. i.e. good reasons that have nothing to do with "capturing revenue stream".

Sigh...

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by count on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:02AM (#8538156)
I wonder when we'll get commercials that run voice commands on those TV's themselves...

'TV Install Samsung Super Social Awesome App, Yes, Yes Yes'

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by keenerd on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:41AM (#8538254)
If it is anything like the last time this happened (google 1-900 santa) the commercial will be pulled in under 10 minutes.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by sp332 on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:05AM (#8539088)
Wow, this happened already? I only remember an ad recently that turned on people's Xbox Ones. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27827545
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by downandout on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:48AM (#8538429)
Yes, phones do this too. But the massive difference is that you have to consciously bring up Siri and you know when it's listening and when it's not. The TV appears to be constantly listening for audio commands and is sending whatever it hears upstream for processing. Someone in these comments said that you can turn the TV on through a voice command, which means that it is listening even when it is off and merely plugged in.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by IshKebab on Friday October 31, 2014 @09:21AM (#8538566)
It's not sending the audio continuously, in the same way that Android phones with always-listening features ("Ok Google") aren't. There is dedicated keyword-detecting hardware.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by snowwrestler on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:51AM (#8539030)
Isn't Siri listening by default now in iOS 8 whenever the phone is plugged in?
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by mikeash on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:43AM (#8539346)
I don't think it's on by default. I believe I had to turn it on in the settings after upgrading. In any case, it's not streaming everything it hears. The "Hey Siri" detection is done locally, even though the subsequent voice-to-text is not.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by john_b on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:31PM (#8539645)
Even assuming that the lack of processing power on the TV is a correct theory, your comment misses the point here.

The issue is not about the intent of the manufacturer. Noble intent or not, the story is about what is enabled by this device. Any time you rely on noble intent of a 3rd party you are putting a lot of trust in them. Especially when those third parties can monetize your data without you ever knowing about it.

Technology provides the tools for mass surveilance and globally undermining trust, but it also provides tools for removing the need for trust, and apparently this smart TV adopts a "just trust us" approach.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by timdierks on Friday October 31, 2014 @03:49PM (#8540735)
From my understanding, these systems send voice to servers to recognize queries, but they detect the prompting signal ("OK Google" or "Hey, Siri") entirely on the device, and both systems make a "Listening now" sound when they switch from one mode to the other. So, presuming that software is working as described, when you speak near an Apple/Android phone, your speech isn't being sent to the cloud in most cases.

Among other things, running the radios all the time to send audio to the cloud would be a battery-killer.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by gohrt on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:57PM (#8539769)
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2839743?hl=en

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17616994/offline-speech-r...

Sadly, it appears that Google voice recognition follows yuor network connection, so you can't keep it in offline-recognition mode unless you turn off networking when talking.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by philwelch on Saturday November 01, 2014 @04:39PM (#8544533)
Except for Siri (and presumably Google), you have to actively press a button and trigger it to listen. It's not constantly listening and uploading.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by spacemanmatt on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:20AM (#8538850)
Almost. The phone can do the TTS on the fly, but it can't calibrate itself without server-aggregated data. So it needs to send off SOME voice captures to central in order to work at peak performance.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by phkahler on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:27PM (#8539615)
Great, so have the user explicitly put it in training mode.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by pdpi on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:54AM (#8538140)
Genuine question, that makes all the difference in the world for me: Does the TV require me to push a button to activate the voice commands?
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by yincrash on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:13AM (#8538177)
There is a button on the remote to activate voice.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by TerraHertz on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:29AM (#8538370)
"There is a button on the remote to activate voice."

More likely: There is a button on the remote to make users believe they have the ability to disable voice data relay to someone's remote servers.

What are the chances such TVs will have network controlled power-up capability? You only think you turned it off.

It's funny that people seem to be accepting always-on GSM network connectivity of the electronics in control of their cars, but oh my god, not the TV!

The TV can't drive you at 100MPH into a palm tree on remote command.

Just to be clear, I think 'smart TVs with network connected microphones' is a completely insane idea. Another on a long list of hanging offenses.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by maratd on Friday October 31, 2014 @09:55AM (#8538706)
> oh my god, not the TV!

Dude. I stare at my TV. If it stares back, that's scary! And if it's listening to me!?!? All the time?

The messed up part is that ALL of our devices will soon be watching and listening to us. Our thermostats, our smoke detectors, our TVs, our phones ... I just installed a fancy internet connected lock on my door. In fact, I installed a fancy electronic toilet seat too... oh well.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by hackinthebochs on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:57PM (#8539764)
DEA: this household hasn't had a decent bowel-movement in a week and they have no active prescription for narcotics, deploy SWAT.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by philwelch on Saturday November 01, 2014 @04:41PM (#8544543)
> It's funny that people seem to be accepting always-on GSM network connectivity of the electronics in control of their cars

Shit, I'm not. OnStar freaks me the fuck out; one of many reasons I'll never buy a GM car.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by Torn on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:28AM (#8538218)
I have a (2013) Samsung Smart TV.

Voice recognition for it isn't always-on - I have to press a button on the remote. It's like siri, surely, in that whatever you say to it gets shunted off to a third party API that recognises words?

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by flavor8 on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:42AM (#8538256)
Any popular internet connected always-on voice recognition device is going to be taken advantage of by future overly-ambitious intelligence gathering initiatives, period. It really doesn't matter substantively whether they upload the data to be processed in the cloud or not - typical home networks (see: Belkin routers) are not exactly fort knox.

If you haven't seen Laura Poitras' profile of William Binney recently, watch it again: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-secur... When this came out (pre Snowden), many techies pooh-poohed the suggestion that phones could be turned into remote microphones. In hindsight everything he says has either been verified or is quite plausible.

So why make it easier for a future big brother by building (let alone buying) internet devices with voice recognition? While they may be cool at a technology level, given the current political path we're building the infrastructure for a future dystopian society.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by jessaustin on Friday October 31, 2014 @09:12AM (#8538530)
This is one reason why we'll all be better off when our cell phones are disintermediated. That is, we will have one or more wireless modem devices, and one or more voice communication devices, and they will be connected through a personal network. With that setup, we'll be able to proxy the voice comms to keep it under control even if it's vulnerable to hacks.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by jabjoe on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:21AM (#8537929)
No. Government needs to have laws against this. We can't leave it up to ignorant and fickle consumers. This is a failure of the system of law, thus government. Consumer action is no substitute. Voting with wallets is not equal in anyway to voting. And never should be. We shouldn't be trying to herd consumers to punish companies, we should be asking governments to do their job.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by matthewmacleod on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:44AM (#8538115)
I don't really agree – I'm very nervous about the idea of government banning technologies.

If I want to provide a real-time audio feed from my home to Samsung, then that is my choice to make.

If government is to do anything here, it's to make sure that there's a minimum standard of notification which is required for these devices. Maybe something like an explicit opt-in for any feature which transmits data to third parties. That's something I could get behind.

But banning it? No way.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by aragot on Friday October 31, 2014 @09:10AM (#8538518)
In Europe we don't really believe in "it is your choice you make" (on other topics) because there are so many factors which prevent you from making this choice freely.

For example the choice of accepting Samsung's TOS could be bundled with the choice of flatsharing with someone. Or being a guest of someone. If you need to refuse attending a party because you've made the choice of disagreeing with Samsung's TOS, you're forced.

It is a classic feature of commercial products: Bundle the choice with something much bigger (such as: socializing) so people don't really have the choice of saying no. Worth saying that if phones were invented under a European jurisdiction, they'd be full of infinite more or less relevant option lists. Ironically that's probably why they weren't born there.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by matthewmacleod on Friday October 31, 2014 @01:05PM (#8539815)
That's just unconscionability, which is a common legal concept.

You can solve this problem by making consumers being informed – by forcing manufacturers to provide clear information about the services which are being given, and any privacy risks. That's something I thoroughly support.

But I absolutely reject the idea of outright banning technologies. It's not even a slippery slope – it's a vertical cliff.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by gglitch on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:11AM (#8538790)
Not sure why this was downvoted, I kind of agree. We're supposed to be defending rational choices made by informed consumers, but I too question whether current regulation adequately safeguards either one of those principles.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by DSingularity on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:52AM (#8538451)
Yeah sure I agree. But this is a problem. Pretending like it isn't is basically cognitive dissonance. Why? These companies consistently refuse to secure their sevices to maximize profit.

The problem is they live in a completely self centered world where profit must be maximized. This is why this results in less secure devices by design. This is why you need regulation.

You leave it to the companies, they will almost always decide based on profit. Even if it results in a totally insecure product. See:http://iss.oy.ne.ro/Aether

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by sysk on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:00AM (#8538298)
> We can't leave it up to ignorant and fickle consumers.

People like you infuriate me to no end. The fact is that a lot of consumers are willing to trade privacy for convenience, price, etc. Privacy just doesn't weigh much in those people's list of priorities. I'm glad we still have a semblance of free market capitalism because if people like you had their way, a lot of modern technologies simply wouldn't exist. That being said, I personally won't be getting that TV.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by gglitch on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:15AM (#8538810)
No offense, but this seems specious because it presumes that a majority of consumers are making a rational choice from a well-informed position, which is not necessarily the case. They're currently making the trade, yes, but that doesn't mean they fully understand the implications of their decisions.

* Edited for grammar

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by olifante on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:26AM (#8538360)
So if the invisible hand of the market "chooses" to create an Orwellian total surveillance society, that will be OK, because hey, consumers chose it.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by sysk on Friday October 31, 2014 @08:40AM (#8538403)
First, what comes closest to Orwellian total surveillance today is the NSA mass surveillance program which was created by government, not the free market.

Second, I wouldn't personally feel OK with that outcome but I would also recognize that most people do (given your premise) and that I have no authority over their personal choices.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by opendais on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:10AM (#8538784)
Government elections are pretty close to the free market in the real world for many things. The better funded candidate wins 85% of the time which virtually guarantees every political seat is bought [in the free market]:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/...

Simply because you don't personally have the wealth to purchase a congressional seat of your very own doesn't change the fact that when 85% of them are essentially decided by the money spent that they are basically "buying" the win at that point.

So to claim the free market doesn't create an Orwellian total surveillance society is pretty much false across the board.

1) In the "free market", you have Google, Amazon, and a number of other businesses that try to build that sort of capability to profile their customers for advertising and sales purposes.

2) In the "government where majority power is purchased through the application of money", we have the NSA which engages in both commercial and military espionage.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-braz... http://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

etc.

So when you say the NSA is divorced from the free market, I think you are delusional and/or ignorant. I find it scary that people don't seem to understand that the majority of power in government is essentially paid for and if your sponsors don't like you...the money dries up. So unless you are independently wealthy [on the scale of being a billionaire] and can just self-finance every single campaign, you aren't really an independent agent but instead doing your best to balance who "bought" your vote to minimize the damage.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by jabjoe on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:27AM (#8538895)
You can not expect them to understand the ins and outs of every purchase. You judge a society by how it looks after it's people. You are arguing to leave them to the wolves.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by nathan_long on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:23PM (#8541203)
> That being said, I personally won't be getting that TV.

Will you have a choice? If they profit enough, there may not be any non-surveillance models left in a few years.

The free market does wonders, but sometimes laws are a better tool. Eg, you can't sell a house that doesn't meet fire code, whether the buyer would accept it or not. There's too much danger that they don't understand, or that the next buyer won't, or that they're coerced by having no other options, etc.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by michaelt on Friday October 31, 2014 @09:34AM (#8538629)
Well, there are certain things that can only be achieved by legislation, not by technical means.

For example, if you send an always-on sound feed from your living room (or phone) to Google for voice recognition purposes, should it be subject to fourth amendment protections? Because this isn't possible by technical means or through market competition - it can only be achieved by legislation.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by vsl on Saturday November 01, 2014 @09:18AM (#8542930)
> No. Government needs to have laws against this.

Or you could just, you know, not buy that crap, and let the market sort it out?

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by aruggirello on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:35AM (#8537818)
Ironically, "Why I’m Scared to Turn This Thing On" should be "Why I’m Scared to Connect This Thing to AC", really.

Samsung Smart TV's have this feature, so you can turn them on by voice. My wife's parents, sister and brother each have one.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by DennisP on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:58AM (#8539458)
So we finally have Orwell's telescreens, and we're paying our own money to install them in our houses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by opendais on Friday October 31, 2014 @10:15AM (#8538819)
> I cannot envision a circumstance in which this "feature" was not put in at the direct request of law enforcement.

I can. In an eCommerce app we were thinking of building, we wanted voice search and voice "buy" so that people only had to tap images of what they wanted. We weren't planning to give them an option either. It was scrapped because of a lack of budget and it seemed like the gimmick wouldn't be enough for anyone to care.

The technical limitations of the TV market makes sending the audio data to a 3rd party [e.g. Google's voice recognition servers] a necessity.

That said, I fully expect this feature is capable of remote activation for "tech support" purposes and that it can be enabled at the request of law enforcement. But honestly, if you are getting pissed off about the TV over law enforcement concerns...they can do the same damned thing with your cell phone. Are you keeping it inside a fridge or something? No?

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by qbrass on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:55AM (#8537858)
Who said it was always on?

They can't guarantee what you or anyone in range of the microphone will say while giving the TV a command, which gets sent off to be processed.

That's enough to warrant the warning.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by downandout on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:10AM (#8537900)
You are correct, but if you can turn it on by voice, then it constantly has to be listening when plugged in. The problem isn't that it accepts voice commands. It's that the microphone data is processed remotely, and there is no way to control when it listens.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:08AM (#8537896)
As with laptop webcams, it probably not so much that it's always on, but that it can be turned on at any time without you knowing.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by cowabunga on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:16AM (#8537916)
Which is why I unplugged the microphone and webcam on mine (Lenovo X201).
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by justcommenting on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:20AM (#8537927)
if video but not audio surveillance freaks you out, a little piece of black electrical tape goes a long way. that includes your phone's front-facing camera..
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:26AM (#8537947)
blu-tack works fine on the laptop too.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by nl on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:55AM (#8538006)
There is a YC company (Wit.ai) building systems to enable this for 'internet of things' devices.

Voice makes a good interface for these devices, but I do agree that privacy is a concern.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by facepalm on Friday October 31, 2014 @04:39AM (#8537826)
I suppose the reason for sending all audio to a server could be that the TV is not powerful enough for voice recognition, it needs the cloud for that?
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by 72deluxe on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:37AM (#8537976)
If they'd improve the software and stop dishing out underpowered processors in TVs, that'd help. I have an LG that's a few years old and there's nothing "smart" about it. It should have been sold as "slowTV" instead of "smartTV".

I am saddened that the data needs to fly off to the other side of the world, particularly when dictation and speaking to a device can be done offline: see Dragon Naturally Speaking, Apple offline dictation on OSX, and a Nokia from 15 years ago that would respond to simple voice commands like BLUETOOOOOOTH (yes, you had to shout it), plus the dumb Bluetooth interface in my car that I have to stop and speak to in order to pair devices with it etc.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by Mchl on Friday October 31, 2014 @07:57AM (#8538288)
Actually basic voice recognition is done in the TV itself. By 'basic' I mean things like switching it on or off, changing channels, adjusting volume or navigating the menu. Also this is limited to a few selected languages (most notably English and Korean, not sure which others). As soon as you get to things like entering text into text inputs or want to control your TV in 'unsupported' language, this gets delegated to cloud services.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by spacefight on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:35AM (#8537974)
That's hardly an argument to shit on your customers privacy.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by res0nat0r on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:12AM (#8539134)
Even your iPhone when you ask Siri questions sends your data to be processed in the cloud.

People are buying a TV because they want a TV, not a mini computer. Why would TV manufacturers want to jack up the price of their product with non-essential TV components to have onboard voice recognition?

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by marcosdumay on Friday October 31, 2014 @01:35PM (#8539984)
They are already jacking of the price with nonessential components by creating a smart TV. Why shouldn't they jack it a couple more dollars (because that's really the difference) to have on that responds quickly?
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by Yizahi on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:38AM (#8539305)
There is no need for any names in the article, it is Shamesung, obviously. I'm already boycotting all stuff clearly branded as Shamesung for a year or two, not a problem for now. Not that other companies are shining knights of good, but sammy has already fallen below any acceptable thresholds for me.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by minusSeven on Friday October 31, 2014 @06:41AM (#8538109)
Anyway similar data is being collected from your mobile and your computer, TV wasn't on the list but now it is.

I guess if you want more features the smart tv provides this is something you have to get accustomed to.

Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by NDizzle on Friday October 31, 2014 @12:30PM (#8539639)
Doesn't this apply directly to the Xbox One as well? "Xbox On" will turn that on.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by higherpurpose on Friday October 31, 2014 @05:07AM (#8537890)
The TV looks like a Samsung.
Re:I’m Terrified of My New TV by brokentone on Friday October 31, 2014 @11:54AM (#8539424)
Stock image.