Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along

Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by zokier on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @02:05PM (#8488766)

> The more I realize all the untapped potential lying around, the more I realize how so many Linux users are living in their monoculture. Unfortunately there is no one there to amplify all the good efforts and hidden gems scattered all over the place, so you have people just reading Phoronix and LWN articles and standing in their bubble. Meanwhile, all the non-Linux Unices and the "toy project" builders are doing great things, but everyone thinks they're irrelevant and dying.

This is one of the main reasons I approve of systemd. It is something completely new fighting against the old entrenched cruft. End result might be good, might be bad, but at least it is activity instead of sedateness.

For all bad things that could be said about Poettering, at least he has ideas and the confidence to execute on them.

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Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by jimktrains2 on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @02:22PM (#8488867)

> This is one of the main reasons I approve of systemd. It is something completely new fighting against the old entrenched cruft.

Most people aren't anti-systemd because it's new, but because it doesn't conform to their philosophy of how their computer should run. There could be newer init systems that conform to their ideals, but systemd is not one of them.

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Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by chc on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @02:47PM (#8489030)

Could there be, or are there? Because it is entirely possible that their philosophy is too rigid to permit a system that is substantially different from what exists now, in which case "They're against it because it's new" seems like a fair assessment.

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Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by pessimizer on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @03:10PM (#8489167)

Are you arguing that it may me that all objectors to systemd would be dissatisfied with all possible init systems different than what exists now?

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Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by chc on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @03:15PM (#8489206)

I'm arguing that "It doesn't agree with their philosophy" is not incompatible with "They don't like it because it's new." It's not uncommon for people to build personal philosophies that work out to "change is bad."

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Re:Why pro-systemd and anti-systemd people will never get along by zokier on Tuesday October 21, 2014 @03:28PM (#8489296)

Important note: I said I approve, not like, systemd. It is an important distinction, because I like that there is activity even though I might not be such fan of the software itself. This is in contrast to (some) anti-systemd people who seem to be opposed to the very existence of systemd.

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