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Re:And if only 1% of those people... by anigbrowl on Sunday September 27, 2009 @07:19PM (#847388)
That didn't stop you when you were suggesting bands make sure everyone at a live show get a CD, even if that means giving some of them away. http://sivers.org/livecd

You were confident there that telling the audience how much the CD mattered to the band would increase sales and future popularity, to the point that in the comment section you repeatedly waved aside people's worries about the short-term financial risk for the band. Now here's a blog post less than a week later saying 'investing money in putting yourself out there and planning for success? what a maroon.'

I can believe that maybe the guy's ad sucked, and he'd have been far better off booking more gigs and passing the hat around, but c'mon Mr Sivers, you promote optimistic marketing strategies as much as anybody out there.

Re:And if only 1% of those people... by andymism on Monday September 28, 2009 @04:26AM (#848049)
I don't think this story and the post you're referencing contradict each other. The difference between the magazine's audience and a band's audience at a show is relevance. At a live show, you're selling to a group of potential buyers (whether they will pay or not) who have qualified themselves just by being there. As an obscure musician advertising in a magazine, you're just trying to scream as loud as you can in a crowded channel where there's no reason for anyone to pay attention to you (you definitely don't want to prematurely optimize for this case).
Re:And if only 1% of those people... by anigbrowl on Monday September 28, 2009 @01:05PM (#848760)
I entirely agree with that. It was just that the concert-CD idea also caries the implication '...and if just 1% of those people play the CD to a friend or come to the next gig...'. As someone else pointed out, we really don't know anything about the ad or the magazine it was published in, which might have seemed very well targeted to the artist (eg the ad was near a positive review/feature of the new album). It's very hard to judge the situation without more context, which is the problem with FOAF stories in general.
Re:And if only 1% of those people... by swombat on Monday September 28, 2009 @01:40PM (#848827)
The huge difference, though, is in how those people are approached.

If you've got a good product and you go and talk to the right people about it, some percentage (hopefully much larger than 1%) will end up buying it. If you just send spam to a billion people, however, chances are hardly anyone will buy it.

Advertising is spam. Sales is not spam. Giving out CDs as a promotion at an event where you're present, where people can see you, is not a faceless marketing attempt to get that "1%" effect.

Finally, the advice in the previous article was intended to make an immediate difference to the band's receipts and, iirc, it did. The fact that some percentage of those who bought the donationware CDs also brought more friends along the next time the band visited was only a nice side-effect.

Re:And if only 1% of those people... by mediaman on Monday September 28, 2009 @10:13AM (#848448)
Mr. Sivers makes two statements:

* A marketing mechanism can have very poor, even zero, results.

* There exists a marketing mechanism for bands (giving away product) which is effective in promoting the brand.

It's not clear how stating that a particular marketing mechanism works, but that marketing mechanisms in general can have low to zero returns, are contradictory concepts.

Re:And if only 1% of those people... by mahmud on Monday September 28, 2009 @12:09AM (#847759)
The free CD is a promotional tool. Fans who come to the concert, specially small under-advertised shows, are some of the most hardcore fans, and for that the most influential among their circle of friends.

Even factoring the cost of the media into the ticket sale can encourage people to come see your show.