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Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by suprgeek on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @08:17PM (#8398696)
Unfortunately the mere mention of "Nuclear" is a trigger word for most people, which is a tragedy considering that due to all the mistakes that were made in the past we have started to (finally) move to safer ways of using Nuclear Power.

If we were realists about Nuclear energy like other forms of energy, we should have been entering a golden age of Nuclear right about now.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by personZ on Thursday October 02, 2014 @10:43AM (#8400910)
Nuclear energy is hugely susceptible to black swan events, with very serious environmental and monetary consequences. Even the best, safest run facility, in an instance of sabotage, terrorism, conflict, or simple unexpected event (seismic, extreme weather), can turn into a maelstrom of troubles that will endure for thousands of years.

Further the nuclear industry is one with a very poor track record of promises versus delivery. The cheap power, for instance, tends to turn into expensive power when plants need to be refurbished at mind-boggling costs (such as here in Ontario where we've gone from the cheapest power in North America, courtesy of huge hydroelectric benefits, to one of the most expensive because of our nuclear legacy). And the waste issue remains a significant issue.

Nuclear was a great alternative to fossil fuels. It is a very poor alternative to alternatives (wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc), and simply increasing energy efficiency.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by rsync on Thursday October 02, 2014 @11:52AM (#8401223)
What you describe is true of the old style nuclear reactors (which, unfortunately, is all of them). I completely agree.

But new reactor designs (thorium, etc.) avoid the black swans and all of the interdependent complexity. We should be deploying them.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by the_solution on Monday October 06, 2014 @09:04AM (#8415620)
Nothing you say in the second sentence is true.

Thorium reactors do not work reliably (just have a look at those that where actually built). The current designs do not work - we don't even have an idea how to do it right in theory. They absolutely are not less complex and are not in any way safer than any other nuclear reactors.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by bigiain on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @11:58PM (#8399360)
"NMR" machines and now called "MRI" machines...

(Not entirely sure if that's because people with serious illness are scared of the work "nuclear", or if it's because the President couldn't pronounce it...)

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by Turing_Machine on Thursday October 02, 2014 @01:26AM (#8399528)
You mean Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, or Dwight Eisenhower?

It's especially weird in Carter's case since he was supposedly a trained nuclear engineer.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by arethuza on Thursday October 02, 2014 @07:21AM (#8400256)
I don't think there is much "supposedly" about it - Carter was a highly trained nuclear engineer as part of the US Navy nuclear power program under Admiral Rickover. Indeed Carter led a team to help with the NRX reactor accident in Canada.

"The painstaking process required each team member, including Carter, to don protective gear, and be lowered individually into the reactor to disassemble it for minutes at a time. During and after his presidency, Carter indicated that his experience at Chalk River shaped his views on nuclear power and nuclear weapons, including his decision not to pursue completion of the neutron bomb."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter#Naval_career

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by mkr-hn on Thursday October 02, 2014 @09:29AM (#8400607)
A lot of exceptionally smart people say (or have said) robutt.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by sjtrny on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @10:03PM (#8399079)
A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by TTPrograms on Thursday October 02, 2014 @12:26AM (#8399426)
For modern fast reactors it really is. Nuclear waste paranoia is one of the main things that holds back feasible cheap green energy in the modern world.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by iSnow on Thursday October 02, 2014 @05:00AM (#8399922)
You cannot simply brush aside this issue. Even if we have 100% safe reactors, generating waste that is deadly in a thousand years is simply not a good idea, no paranoia involved.

Besides: nuclear had its chance - they blew it because of greed and sloppiness, the usual thing that happens when large organizations deal with complex issues. I am 100% sure that even with novel reactor designs the same "human factor" would generate accidents like we have seen with the old designs.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by Bluestrike2 on Thursday October 02, 2014 @09:42AM (#8400660)
Greed and sloppiness? Everyone will grant you that in the case of the Soviet nuclear energy program and the result with Chernobyl, but beyond that, there's nothing to support your argument. If anything, the fact that the only significant accident was the result of human error magnified by institutional decision-making is a remarkably positive argument. Modern reactor designs and procedures are radically different than they were back in the 60s. Ignoring the progress of technology and the safety benefits that it results in is an incredibly narrow-minded position. We learn from history in every other field; what supports your conclusion that nuclear power is somehow different?
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by ahi on Thursday October 02, 2014 @12:05PM (#8401311)
Here is some support for that argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site

A lot of smart people being very very sloppy.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by Bluestrike2 on Thursday October 02, 2014 @02:41PM (#8402316)
There's a huge difference between any nuclear power plant and the Hanford Site, which was setup as a wartime production facility. The majority of the river contamination took place in the early years, from 1945 to 1951 when knowledge, technology, and experience was extremely limited at the time compared to today. At the time, they sacrificed environmental concerns for expediency because they had a war to win. Even if they knew exactly what would happen in the years and decades afterwards, I'm fairly certain that the same decision would be made. We're stuck with the cleanup, but there's nothing about the situation that would suggest the possibility of a repeat.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by iSnow on Monday October 06, 2014 @07:11AM (#8415213)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power...: "In 1990, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) ranked the failure of the emergency electricity generators and subsequent failure of the cooling systems of plants in seismically very active regions one of the most likely risks. The Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) cited this report in 2004. According to Jun Tateno, a former NISA scientist, TEPCO did not react to these warnings and did not respond with any measures.[35]

Filmmaker Adam Curtis mentioned the risks of the type of boiling water reactors cooling systems such as those in Fukushima I,[36] and claimed the risks were known since 1971[37] in a series of documentaries in the BBC in 1992 and advised that PWR type reactors should have been used.

Fukushima had been warned their seawall was insufficient to withstand a powerful tsunami, but the seawall height was not raised in response"

Still no indication of greed, sloppiness, cut-corner mentality and general incompetence?

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by sjtrny on Thursday October 02, 2014 @02:41AM (#8399653)
It's not paranoia. There are legitimate concerns about storing nuclear waste. It's not perfect and it is expensive. Wouldn't it be better to be able to skip past these problems onto something without those drawbacks?
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by dasmoth on Thursday October 02, 2014 @07:49AM (#8400327)
Very substantial amounts of nuclear waste already exist.

Stopping making more doesn't make the problem go away (...at least for many thousand years). I'm more optimistic that current waste will be reprocessed or stored safely if nuclear power generation continues than if it all gets quietly forgotten.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by girvo on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @11:13PM (#8399259)
Honestly, I'd rather deal with nuclear waste than I would what we're currently doing to our environment.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by danwiding on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @11:51PM (#8399341)
A modest proposal would be to slowly depopulate Micronesia and store all our radioactive waste there (we already tested nukes there once anyway). It's either that or let the ocean reclaim the islands over the next 100 years. So we might as well get some cheap energy out of the deal.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by the_solution on Monday October 06, 2014 @09:11AM (#8415651)
Taking care of radioactive waste for thousands of years requires energy. How do you propose we generate that energy?
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by kalms on Thursday October 02, 2014 @05:49AM (#8400041)
Fire that crap into the sun and be done with it.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by chadgeidel on Thursday October 02, 2014 @02:25PM (#8402222)
You are getting downvoted without explanation here. It's a reasonable thought except for a few things. First of which is our space launch and delivery systems aren't 100% reliable. Even one failure means nuclear debris spread over a wide distance - something that would be very difficult to recover from.

I couldn't find a good document from a quick googling, but this was high on the list: http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/log2013.html 81 launches and 3 failures. I don't particularly like those odds.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by noahhs on Friday October 03, 2014 @10:42AM (#8405717)
Aside from safety, there's another insurmountable obstacle to space disposal: cost. You may not appreciate just how much spent fuel there is. I did the math once. Launch cost per pound, times number of pounds of waste, came out to over $1 trillion. Orders of magnitude away from feasibility, even with advancements in launch technology.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by Bluestrike2 on Thursday October 02, 2014 @09:30AM (#8400615)
Compared to a golden age of climate change? In the US, political fear-mongering under Carter killed fuel re-processing; even though it's currently less economical, the ability to lower high-level waste to 1/5th current levels is the sort of thing that can shift the analysis compared to long-term storage. Beyond that, Gen-IV reactor designs can be used to close the nuclear fuel cycle while a number of them can also be used to recycle current waste.

In any case, I'm not sure people realize just how little waste has been produced by volume. Even with the once-through fuel cycle, it's a manageable issue. The biggest problem remains NIMBYism and posturing. It might not be a silver bullet, but it's the damn closest to it.

Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by driverdan on Thursday October 02, 2014 @09:31AM (#8400620)
We're already in a golden age of nuclear waste. Due to the same irrational fear and NIMBY attitudes that has held back modern nuclear power we don't have a good way of dealing with our current waste. It's piling up all over the place.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by adrianN on Thursday October 02, 2014 @09:44AM (#8400663)
If we wanted to, we could build breeder reactors that burn >90% of what we call waste today and leave only isotopes with relatively short half-lives.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by the_solution on Monday October 06, 2014 @09:07AM (#8415631)
France tried doing that. I suggest you have a look how it turned out. Hint: It's an absoluty disaster in practice.
Re:The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in... by eru on Wednesday October 01, 2014 @10:04PM (#8399081)
Nuclear power was always pretty safe. See eg http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_168.shtml