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Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by ohquu on Sunday September 21, 2014 @04:22PM (#8348154)
What a beautiful article.

My girlfriend had three strokes, in succession, two years ago (when she was 22). The night before these strokes occurred, she had a transient ischemic attack (TIA). She began speaking gibberish to her friends. She texted me later that night explaining what happened. Her friends had laughed about it because they thought she was just acting like a goofball. I had no idea these were signs of a TIA, but I told her that if it happened again she needed to go to the doctor immediately.

The next day, the right side of her body went numb. This time, she was around people who noticed something was wrong, and she was immediately rushed to the emergency room. By the next day, I had flown a thousand miles (from the location of my new job) to be with her. She couldn't remember many words. She couldn't read a clock. She did not know the answer to 3 + 0.

It turned out that, similar to the author of this article, clots had traveled through the hole in her heart and up to her brain. Luckily, she recovered fully and was back to her old self within about a month. She had surgery to fix the PFO a couple months later. The neurologist told her that nine times out of ten, the clot travels a different path, and the victim is left dead or braindead. I am so lucky. Writing about this has me in big tears.

I am going to stop writing and go hug her now.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by xtinehlee on Sunday September 21, 2014 @07:49PM (#8348718)
I'm the writer of the story--thank you so much for reading. I'm glad to know that my experience helps people gain further understanding of strokes/brain injuries. I hope your girlfriend is in a better place, now.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by skierscott on Sunday September 21, 2014 @08:06PM (#8348752)
> I'm glad to know that my experience helps people gain further understanding of strokes/brain injuries.

After my severe traumatic brain injury, I'm trying to do the same thing. Brain injuries are so broad and so complex and dangerously invisible. I would guess this is the one unifying thread between us.

This is a solid A-level piece. Good job on both the writing and content.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by muraiki on Sunday September 21, 2014 @08:39PM (#8348803)
I've only had a mild traumatic brain injury, but it's been about 1 3/4 years and I still have some symptoms. I could emphasize with a lot of what was written in the article. You're right in saying that these injures are complex and invisible... and I would say that that is true as much for the people around you as it is for the person experiencing the injury.

Even for someone who understands the symptoms conceptually, it's a completely different matter to actually experience what it's like to be unable to speak the name of a person that you see constantly, or to experience real pain from light, or to be around people and then be utterly exhausted afterwards. It took time for my family and friends to grasp the extent of my injury, especially since it didn't occur in any dramatic or obviously horrible way.

If you are like me, you'll have moments in which you feel completely frustrated and hopeless. Be patient and merciful with yourself. Last year I wondered if I'd ever be able to have a job that required serious mental thought -- but this year I've successfully switched careers to become a full time programmer.

I apologize if this is unsolicited advice, but I guess I'm saying what I wish I would have known when I first got my concussion. And for others who read this: if you get a concussion, see and listen to your doctor -- and if your doctor doesn't take you seriously, find someone who does (especially if you have a clinic nearby that specializes in concussion / brain injury). I can't know for sure, but I think my life over the past two years would have been a lot different had I simply _rested_ in the period afterwards, instead of staying up late studying.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by skierscott on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:20AM (#8350891)
> I've only had a mild traumatic brain injury

"only". All brain injuries are incredibly frustrating.

Adding on the advice, if you have others close around you, please listen to them and take their advice even if it's painful. This was positive for me and I'm glad I did it... but man it was painful. I felt powerless and helpless and couldn't grasp the full details of the situation. When everyone around you is saying the same thing, they're saying it for a good reason.

The largest lesson I've learned is that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with someone who has a brain injury. They manage their deficits like any sane person would. Yes, their deficits will show through but that doesn't speak to who they are. That's their injury showing itself and they're doing their best to control it.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by 300bps on Monday September 22, 2014 @09:00AM (#8350341)
Thanks for writing the article - it was well written. One item to point out to any fellow migraine w/ aura sufferers that are worried right now they're going to have a stroke...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/patent-foramen...

Generally, a patent foramen ovale doesn't cause complications. But, some studies have found the disorder is more common in individuals with certain conditions, such as unexplained stroke and migraine with aura. In most cases, there are other reasons for these conditions, and it's just a coincidence the person also has a patent foramen ovale...The possible link between patent foramen ovale and stroke or migraine is controversial and research studies are ongoing.

I'm 42 and have had migraines with aura (mostly blindness) since I was 15. My father is 72, my oldest sister is 51 and my youngest sister is 45 and they have all had migraine with aura since a young age with no strokes reported yet.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by weddpros on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:45AM (#8351034)
A migrainous infarct is a rare complication of migraines with aura, and you should probably not worry too much about it.

But make sure you'll NEVER take vasoconstrictors during the aura... Migraines with aura have two phases :

- first vasoconstriction, which cause the aura. Should not last more than 30-60 minutes. Take NO anti-migraine vasoconstrictor at this point.

- next comes vasodilatation which causes the pain. That's when vasoconstrictors can be used.

Find my comment bellow to learn more.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by 300bps on Monday September 22, 2014 @12:18PM (#8351198)
The two phases you detailed of "Migraines with aura" match my experience precisely. Dark spots in vision are typically the first sign at which point I have about 30 minutes before tunnel vision and blindness kick in. Then I gradually get my vision back with an equal measure of pain in my head.

Interestingly, I have literally never taken prescription migraine medication. I don't have severe ones often enough to warrant needing it. The only thing I take - and I take it at the first sign of aura - is two Excedrin. The active ingredients in Excedrin (aspirin, tylenol, caffeine) are identical to the active ingredients in Excedrin Migraine so I generally take either. It seems to lessen the severity and duration of the headache.

As a neurologist once told me - there is no medication you can take that will reduce or eliminate an aura. So to your advice that it is dangerous to do so, apparently it's not effective either. So there is no upside and apparently plenty of downside to taking vasoconstrictors during aura.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by weddpros on Monday September 22, 2014 @02:11PM (#8351691)
Actually, I had that stroke the first time I tried anti-migraine treatment (eletriptan). I have no medical proof that there was it was a cause though.

Before that, I was usually taking 1000mg of aspirin too.

My advice if your migraines occur in high stress times (mine did): learn auto-hypnosis or find anything to lower that stress level...

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by shekhar101 on Monday September 22, 2014 @09:33AM (#8350460)
This is extraordinary writing! Gripping to the end. I'm very _very_ curious to know how you are doing now? I hope you've recovered well.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by xtinehlee on Monday September 22, 2014 @12:57PM (#8351350)
Hi. It took about 2 years to recover (I went to occupational therapy, and stumbled through 18 months), and then I was able to have a very high functioning life. I can exercise to full exertion, I had a very normal pregnancy, and am overall doing physically well. I'm very very very lucky.

There are still gaps in memory. My friends, since this essay was published, have told me how they visited in the weeks and months following my stroke, and I am floored by how I don't recall their visits, whatsoever. Like, nada. But I know I felt their love, so there is that.

Again--thank you all for the amazing response to my essay. I am overwhelmed in the best way. We writers don't get a lot of kudos, so when the love does come around, it matters very very much. I know it holds me through the darkness and keeps me going. So, thank you for keeping me going!

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by strideratx on Sunday September 21, 2014 @11:48PM (#8349136)
Thank you for sharing your story. I enjoyed reading it. I had a stroke at 35 also caused by a PFO.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by div0 on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:52AM (#8351069)
Thank you for writing it down. Especially the "hugging" part.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by quintin on Sunday September 21, 2014 @05:54PM (#8348467)
Thanks for this.

Are you in the US? If so, how much did the ordeal cost?

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by ohquu on Sunday September 21, 2014 @06:33PM (#8348560)
Yes, we are in the US. Her situation was unique in many respects. She was on her father's health insurance plan (Blue Cross and Blue Shield) and also had secondary health insurance from being a student athlete at our university. (The first of the three strokes occurred during a meet! The other two occurred within a day after being transported to the hospital.) Everything would have cost well over $100,000 had she not had insurance, but thankfully all visits/procedures were completely paid for.

I'm unsure how much it would have cost (uninsured) had it been a more straightforward path toward treatment. However, I left many details out of the story. Doctors were unsure if the stroke was simply caused by a PFO; they thought she may have had a more serious heart defect. Thus, she was airlifted to a better hospital for a more thorough diagnosis and later ended up having robotically-assisted heart surgery (i.e., not the simple, cheaper PFO closure procedure described in this article).

Another thing: her father was very persistent with the insurance companies throughout this entire ordeal. Had he not paid attention to the way things were being billed (i.e., between primary and secondary insurance), some costs may have been pushed onto her family.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by omegaworks on Sunday September 21, 2014 @09:06PM (#8348853)
>Had he not paid attention to the way things were being billed (i.e., between primary and secondary insurance), some costs may have been pushed onto her family.

How does one pay attention to this in a time of crisis? Is there a good guide to navigating it somewhere?

Last summer I woke up with a monster headache and suddenly stopped being able to put words to thoughts. Tried calling a taxi, couldn't say where I wanted to go, so he called 911. On the way to the hospital in the ambulance I was just praying I was making the right decisions. The paramedics couldn't understand me and that frustrated them. They asked me what hospital, being an intern and totally new to the city I wouldn't know what to tell them even if I could. I was worried they'd treat me like I was on some kind of drug.

Turns out I had contracted a meningitis. The ambulance ride was $1000.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by silencio on Monday September 22, 2014 @02:08AM (#8349471)
Did you get a bill after the fact? You could call them up and negotiate. If you have two insurance plans, then it's mostly talking with a particular office/section that deals with coordination of benefits.

Until my family members and I individually ended up switching to insurance with nice low flat rates for services, I used to negotiate everything from office visits to ER bills. Before service if you can (especially for elective/outpatient type things), otherwise they really like cash in full. They tend to prefer working outside of insurance too, since it means more money for them even if they're halving your bill.

I'm sure there are services, and occasionally you'll find more tips on places like reddit (/r/frugal comes to mind). I have no immediate suggestions for how to do this in a time of crisis - it mostly depends on someone that knows you well giving enough of a shit, and when they'll try to bill you for services. :(

Why this is a thing is beyond me, but while it's the case...

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by phkahler on Monday September 22, 2014 @10:03AM (#8350564)
>> Did you get a bill after the fact? You could call them up and negotiate.

IMHO negotiation is one of the problems causing high health care costs. Prices are crazy high by default, but insurance companies are able to negotiate lower prices from providers. This means the uninsured are billed higher by default. It turns out that individuals can negotiate lower prices too - sometimes. I advocate that a given service provider should be forced to charge the same price for the same service to all patients. This might result in competition and lower prices, but in the mean time it should lower costs for the uninsured.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by dredmorbius on Sunday September 21, 2014 @10:05PM (#8348971)
There are services which offer medical bill review for patients, usually via nurses or others with clinical and medical billing knowledge.

I know of these largely through news coverage, and cannot speak to how effective they are (or what the costs are).

The stories I've heard, though, of the absolute complete and total nightmare that is the US healthcare scam, are heartbreaking.

I'm looking for online references but cannot find any at the moment, maybe others here have more information.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by ryanSrich on Sunday September 21, 2014 @06:02PM (#8348490)
This is my question as well. I'm not only afraid of something like this happening but that I'd be ruined financially if it did (and it really doesn't have to be something this big. Simply going to the emergency room would cost me thousands).
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by offbrand on Sunday September 21, 2014 @06:43PM (#8348583)
Is health insurance not an option?
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by jianshen on Monday September 22, 2014 @01:43PM (#8351565)
There will be things that your insurance plan will just randomly decide not to cover or worse, you just don't have the right kind of insurance for what you need.

Both my parents have suffered strokes. My father had to go to a step down unit which requires Long Term Care Insurance, something that I'm willing to bet most people aren't familiar with. Even that, due to changing regulations, your LTCI that you purchased decades ago most likely no longer covers today's prices. Unfortunately you just can't prepare for everything.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by ryanSrich on Sunday September 21, 2014 @07:16PM (#8348652)
I do have health insurance but it only covers around 47% of my medical costs (at least when I go for a primary care visit, I suspect they might even cover less for a more expensive procedure).

I understand that my coverage is not all that common, although most providers do an 80/20 split. So for a procedure costing $100k (an ambulance ride and a few nights in the hospital would easily run this high) you'd have to pay $20k out of pocket.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by morgante on Sunday September 21, 2014 @07:36PM (#8348697)
> I do have health insurance but it only covers around 47% of my medical costs (at least when I go for a primary care visit, I suspect they might even cover less for a more expensive procedure).

Actually, it's the opposite. For the vast majority of insurance plans, there's an annual limit to your copay.

To be honest, if there weren't that limit there would be no purpose to insurance at all.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by UrMomReadsHN on Sunday September 21, 2014 @10:04PM (#8348966)
A few years ago there was no annual limit on my plan. Not with co-pays, just co-insurance. I ended up needing outpatient treatment almost every day for over a month. Each day was a $25 co-pay. I then moved on to a once a week treatment for close to the next year. I could afford that, many people cannot. I was also lucky to be able to collect my pay while I was getting treated because my employer provided me disability. The cost just skyrocketed beyond belief and while I already maxed out my co-insurance my treatment was billed like an office visit so co-pays are treated differently.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by ryanSrich on Sunday September 21, 2014 @07:57PM (#8348731)
Do you mean the insurance company has a limit for what they pay? [1]? I can't find a source for the limited co-pay that I think you're suggesting.

1.http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/limits/

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by zrail on Sunday September 21, 2014 @08:07PM (#8348753)
It's called "out of pocket limit". After you meet your deductible the insurance company will pay for every covered cost except for the copay and coinsurance. Once you've met your out of pocket max they will pay for every dollar of every covered cost.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by Tenhundfeld on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:31AM (#8350957)
Except prescription drugs. I am not fully informed on how the ACA affected this, but it used to be that insurance plans could exclude certain classes of prescription drugs from out of pocket max.

This is how many people are financially ruined by long-term chronic illnesses. For some less common diseases, medications can easily cost >$10,000 per month – which might not be covered by your health insurance for various reasons or only partially covered. Read the fine print.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by pcl on Sunday September 21, 2014 @07:28PM (#8348680)
Many health insurance plans have a yearly cap on how much you pay out of pocket. So you might pay 20% up to a few thousand dollars, and then get 100% coverage after that.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by refurb on Sunday September 21, 2014 @08:11PM (#8348761)
Actually, with the passage of the ACA, the limit is a requirement for all health insurance plans (a few were grandfathered in, but they will disappear over the next few years).

It goes up each year (adjusted for inflation), but as an individual, your maximum out of pocket (includes everything: deductible, co-pays, co-insurance, etc) is ~$6,750.

Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by zaroth on Sunday September 21, 2014 @10:20PM (#8348996)
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by justanother on Sunday September 21, 2014 @11:40PM (#8349118)
I'll never forget the year I had laproscopic surgery to remove my gallbladder, not because of the experience (although being asked for $3000, in cash, before they'd let me into the OR, was interesting, but welcome to America), but because I ended up hitting my $5000 or so out-of-pocket maximum, between that and co-pays for a few other visits. For the remaining 6 months of the year, I joked that I was living it up Canadian style, and actually visited the doctor to get regular exams and to get medicated for influenza, you know, the things everyone should do, but a large double-digit percentage of Americans can't. Ahh, the good life...
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by mikeash on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:18AM (#8350877)
Don't "suspect," know. Your insurance will have an extensive description of their coverage. You should go read it, and if you find it to be inadequate, you should go shopping for new stuff. This is really important and not something to ignore.
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by gcb4 on Monday September 22, 2014 @05:53AM (#8349882)
you just have to step in the wrong hospital to break the agreement and end up with massive bill
Re:I Had a Stroke at 33 by mikeash on Monday September 22, 2014 @11:18AM (#8350883)
Any vaguely decent insurance will cover emergency procedures in any hospital.