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Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by 10ren on Monday September 21, 2009 @11:36AM (#834793)
Do you mean that a substantial number of the respondent entrepreneurs founded companies that are not "startups" (i.e. aren't small)?
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by pg on Monday September 21, 2009 @11:38AM (#834799)
No, that only a tiny fraction of small companies are startups. Most small companies are local service businesses or one-man consulting operations.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by unalone on Monday September 21, 2009 @11:41AM (#834805)
So they're not start-ups in your sense of the word, but they're businesses self-started that make a living for the person/people in question.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by pg on Monday September 21, 2009 @01:00PM (#834977)
In whose sense of the word is a plumber or a gas station a startup?

I'm not putting people who start those types of businesses down. Please don't try to make it sound as if I am.

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by unalone on Monday September 21, 2009 @01:07PM (#834986)
By the time I went to reply you took out my favorite quip of what you wrote—"That's the kind of line a politician would say."

The article was about entrepreneurs. It was not about your idea of startups. Your comment was defending a concept not present in the article.

I've never liked the word "startup". Ontologically it means that something's begun. I don't feel comfortable assigning more meaning to the word than that, though the connotations have been assigned.

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by pg on Monday September 21, 2009 @01:30PM (#835043)
The article was about entrepreneurs. It was not about your idea of startups.

Imagine an article on a web site about the NFL that began "When you think of a football player, you probably imagine someone six foot five who weighs 250 pounds. But a new study shows the average football player is actually four foot eight and weights 80 pounds." Because the average football player is actually a little league player.

So yes, the study described in the article is about founders of small businesses rather than startups (in what you call my sense, meaning the generally accepted sense of the word). But what makes it misleading is that it appears on a site about startups, begins by talking about examples of startups, and then claims it's surprising that people starting small businesses have different characteristics. It's not surprising at all that the average person opening a gas station or starting his own landscaping company is 40.

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by jhancock on Monday September 21, 2009 @04:46PM (#835529)
This is a more effective explanation. It will be interesting to see how stats evolve for "IT startups".

On one hand, we have loads of unemployed well educated young people right now that can afford to risk their time. These may be more likely to seek seed capital? Go big or go home models?

On the other, we have loads of seasoned industry vets with stable lives and cash in the bank to make a go of a new IT business. These may be more likely to start with one or two paying clients? Steady growth models?

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by cglee on Tuesday September 22, 2009 @01:01AM (#836304)
That's a good example and shows the crux of the problem. In your example, the article should have said "the average NFL player", which offers a clear category of football player. The term "startup" is not as clearly delineated as "NFL player", hence the confusion.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by psranga on Monday September 21, 2009 @09:46PM (#836067)
I replied elsewhere also: the list of industries surveyed (page 10) all seem to be high-tech.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by psranga on Monday September 21, 2009 @09:44PM (#836063)
Paul, the article has a list of industries they surveyed (page 10). Plumbing and gas stations don't figure. They all seem to be high tech.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by thetrumanshow on Monday September 21, 2009 @12:18PM (#834889)
I realized just now that I have been reading hacker news without properly understanding of what pg means by a 'startup'.

Found this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=728689

Now, I will at least know what pg is referencing. I still won't know what other commenters mean by a 'startup' unless they are synced up on this too. I wonder how you can fix that?

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by jeromec on Monday September 21, 2009 @12:15PM (#834884)
Semantics on the word "startup": In my view to qualify as a startup the idea or business process must be novel in some way. Otherwise it is simply "self-started" as you mentioned.
Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by smikhanov on Monday September 21, 2009 @11:52AM (#834830)
I personally call "startup" a company at the stage when it attracts venture capital funding (i.e. high-risk investments). Palm, Inc. at the stage of developing and releasing Pre fits into this category (and I bet the people in the Pre departments were working like in typical startup).

The respondents' businesses probably attract low-risk bank credits instead (i.e. the money entrepreneur must pay back at some point). This makes things different. Those businesses are probably into retail, or consulting, or something similar; the potential leverage is lower there. And these are not the sort of businesses that get most of the attention on HN.

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by replicatorblog on Monday September 21, 2009 @12:17PM (#834888)
It is a matter of semantics at some point.

Club Penguin was a tech startup that sold for mid-nine figures without raising any VC. Mahalo actually seems more like a plumbing company than a tech start up in a weird way, but has raised VC from top tier firms.

The big distinction is building a business that can make you money while you sleep. something that can scale beyond the hours you work vs. being constrained by billable hours or their equivalent.

Re:Facts About Entrepreneurs That Will Likely Surprise You by pg on Monday September 21, 2009 @01:29PM (#835041)
Club Penguin was funded by angel investors though.