Re:The Larch Environment
by lispm on Sunday September 21, 2014 @03:59AM
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> "The curse of Lisp" is a well known phrase that's been used in hundreds of essays:
If you actually look through the Google results, there are not that many 'essays' about that topic.
> There has been much debate about why Lisp has not taken over the world of computing. It was invented in 1958, it was taught in all the best schools, yet it has not gained mass traction.
This fate is shared by a lot of things.
The whole idea that Lisp needs or will get 'mass traction' is just complete bullshit. There is no reason for that expectation.
> Your statement "it is not limited to Lisp" is simply ignorant.
No, it isn't. The whole idea is just unscientific bullshit.
> There is something special about Lisp: no other language has received so much praise and so little use.
So, what. Lisp exists since 1958. During the last 50+ years people have written a lot about Lisp. That's it. There are now many times more articles published in the past year about Java and its ecosystem than over Lisp during its whole lifetime.
> Essays like the Bipolar Lisp Programmer are important contributions toward understanding what the problem is.
Tarver has very little idea what he is talking about. He lives in his own world. Everybody at an university has seen similar behavior in different contexts. But I would not call it 'bipolar', because this is just a bullshit label, failing to describe anything credible.
Lisp got used in a lot of innovative projects often in a R&D and University context. As a rapid prototyping tool, as a research vehicle, ... That their 'products' are not polished and tend to fail, is just normal. Innovation fails a lot. Also Lisp was often a prototyping tool. Prototypes tend to be reworked into products using a different technology. Just like somebody makes a prototype using a high-end CNC machine and later uses different production technologies for mass production. It also attracts people, who are innovative. It's just like startups, which fail a lot.
Re:The Larch Environment
by sitkack on Sunday September 21, 2014 @11:02AM
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You just made some new friends. (seriously, love your attitude (shit, I still sound snide (not being snide, {although parens are making it look that way})))
If you actually look through the Google results, there are not that many 'essays' about that topic.
> There has been much debate about why Lisp has not taken over the world of computing. It was invented in 1958, it was taught in all the best schools, yet it has not gained mass traction.
This fate is shared by a lot of things.
The whole idea that Lisp needs or will get 'mass traction' is just complete bullshit. There is no reason for that expectation.
> Your statement "it is not limited to Lisp" is simply ignorant.
No, it isn't. The whole idea is just unscientific bullshit.
> There is something special about Lisp: no other language has received so much praise and so little use.
So, what. Lisp exists since 1958. During the last 50+ years people have written a lot about Lisp. That's it. There are now many times more articles published in the past year about Java and its ecosystem than over Lisp during its whole lifetime.
> Essays like the Bipolar Lisp Programmer are important contributions toward understanding what the problem is.
Tarver has very little idea what he is talking about. He lives in his own world. Everybody at an university has seen similar behavior in different contexts. But I would not call it 'bipolar', because this is just a bullshit label, failing to describe anything credible.
Lisp got used in a lot of innovative projects often in a R&D and University context. As a rapid prototyping tool, as a research vehicle, ... That their 'products' are not polished and tend to fail, is just normal. Innovation fails a lot. Also Lisp was often a prototyping tool. Prototypes tend to be reworked into products using a different technology. Just like somebody makes a prototype using a high-end CNC machine and later uses different production technologies for mass production. It also attracts people, who are innovative. It's just like startups, which fail a lot.
That's just it. Move on nothing to see.