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Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by pjungwir on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @11:40PM (#8300758)
Good riddance. Red delicious apples get mealy fast, sometimes before you buy them. I kept waiting for the article to acknowledge this, and the closest it came was "tastes have sifted." Bah, who has ever liked a mealy apple? Gala, Fuji, and especially Braeburn stay crisp and tasty longer.

Strangely, yellow delicious stays good despite getting softer. It doesn't get mealy, just softer, and it's still great to eat.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by dllthomas on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:15AM (#8301272)
"Red delicious apples get mealy fast, sometimes before you buy them."

Wait, you mean it's possible for them to not be mealy?

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by kd0amg on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:00AM (#8302581)
They're ok straight from the tree. Still not my favorite by a long shot, but ok.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by bunderbunder on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:13AM (#8303016)
Basically nobody gets 'em straight from the tree, though. I live in an apple-growing state, and all the Red Delicious apples in the supermarket still come from Washington, 2,000 miles away.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by roghummal on Thursday September 11, 2014 @05:51AM (#8301672)
Yes.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by bkirwi on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:06AM (#8300833)
I think this is the closest it gets:

> But as genes for beauty were favored over those for taste, the skins grew tough and bitter around mushy, sugar-soaked flesh.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by JoeAltmaier on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:27AM (#8301923)
I didn't know fruits were bred - I thought all Red Delicious were grafts of identical genetic stock?
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by aethertap on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:46PM (#8303621)
They are bred, but you're also correct that any given variety is all grafted from one original tree. Apples can be bred by cross pollinating varieties, planting the seeds, and then taking scions from the sprout and grafting them onto mature trees (sometimes with dozens of varieties of apple grafted to the same rootstock) so that they yield fruit faster. I think it's typical to go through about 1000 seedlings before you find a good apple for fresh eating (many more are good for cider though).

You can also just plant the seeds and let them grow naturally, but it takes a lot longer to get any kind of results (not to mention more space).

I'm just getting started on this process at my farm actually (apples, pears, asian pears, and cherries so far, seedlings are growing, but I haven't grafted scions yet). It's a major exercise in long-term record keeping.

Here's an example of a tree with a lot of varieties grafted to it, though this guy isn't doing it for breeding purposes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437247/250-varietie...

Here's a wikipedia article that mentions the grafting process for testing new hybrids: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by tsomctl on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:47PM (#8303624)
They bred them until they developed red delicious. Once they got it, they graft it onto rootstock.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by richardwigley on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:04AM (#8301238)
Mealy - I didn't know there was a word for that taste - http://www.thekitchn.com/food-science-what-makes-apples-9570...
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by wjnc on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:15AM (#8302101)
Perhaps the etymology of the word will help with the connection to the taste. In Dutch (another Germanic language) mealy = 'melig', which is close to 'meel' (: flour). There you have the connection to the sawdust-taste. Sawdust and flour, i think, taste pretty much the same.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Tomte on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:53AM (#8302908)
In German it's "mehlig", and it's exactly the adjective to "Mehl" (flour).

But I wouldn't call it a taste, it's texture: "how it feels in the mouth".

Although this state goes hand in hand with a stale taste.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by DanielStraight on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:18AM (#8302115)
Or for that matter, the English word cornmeal.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by lepton on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:44AM (#8302220)
It's more a texture than a taste.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by spike021 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:13AM (#8300848)
When you say yellow delicious do you mean golden delicious? From my experience those are great fresh, but once they've gotten pretty soft then they become bland. Sometimes they'll retain sweetness but if so it doesn't last for very long.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by colmvp on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @11:42PM (#8300763)
You pretty summed up why I hate Red Delicious.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by mcv on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:37AM (#8302193)
Golden Delicious can also get mealy, but quality varies a lot. As a kid, they were my favourite apple, but as I got older, they got softer and more mealy. Or maybe they were always mealy I only started noticing it then.

I don't buy them anymore. When I buy apples (which is rarely), I usually get either Jonagold (cheap and good enough), or Gala or Braeburn when I want something better.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by mrtimo on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:43AM (#8301078)
Red delicious are actually quite good right after they are picked.

Perhaps the reason why we don't like Red delicious is the 'paradox of choice'. 40 years ago, there were perhaps 4 varieties of apples on average in a grocery store, today perhaps 9 or 10. Perhaps with the sweeter, crispier apples brought by advances in Agri-tech the Red Delicious has become lackluster in comparison.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Jedd on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:08AM (#8302631)
This doesn't sound right, but perhaps you are in an atypical part of the world.

40 years ago you would, I expect, find a larger variety of apples, most of them heirloom (ie. open pollinated, with a history you could trace back several hundred years, and were free to propagate at home) at the 'average grocery store'.

Now you'll typically find a selection of apple varieties that were bred relatively recently, selected for shipping and long storage life (ie. ability to retain colour, sweetness (not necessarily flavour), resistance to bruising, consistent colour and shape, russets are eschewed as they're not currently popular, etc).

To the east of London, UK, there's a (somewhat) government-run farm at Faversham, where they are maintaining a mighty collection of apples - somewhere around 2,500 distinct varieties. They also maintain around 700 cherry, and 500 pears, amongst other fruits ... many of which they can trace back several hundred years.

Complaining about just one apple variety seems to be totally missing the point - you can most certainly find, with some small effort, an apple that perfectly suits your idea of the perfect specimen.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by eitally on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:26AM (#8302728)
As an American who's almost 40 and remembers grocery shopping with my mom as a young child, there were typically only three common apple varieties available: red delicious, golden/yellow delicious, and granny smith. That's it.

Nowadays, even at my crappy Food Lion, I can find those three, plus usually 2-3 additional. At local higher end groceries, I can find 8-10.

At my local farmers' market, I can find 20-30 (when they're in season).

My personal favorites are Honeycrisp, Jonagold, and Pink Lady, but since Jonagolds aren't common in my state and Honeycrisps are a restricted patent and very expensive, we usually buy gala, fuji, and sometimes braeburn.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by GFK_of_xmaspast on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:41AM (#8302833)
40 years ago was 1974, which was already decades deep into the homogenization of of the (American) grocery shopping experience.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by wtbob on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:54PM (#8304029)
Forty years ago was 1974, hardly the zenith of heirloom varieties. Maybe what you write was true 80 or 100 years ago.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by kosievdmerwe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:46AM (#8301084)
How is this a paradox of choice? As in how is it paradoxical that when better alternatives exist people prefer them?
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by stingraycharles on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:52AM (#8302016)
It is not a paradox; it is perhaps irony if those same people would prefer non-agri-tech fruit if you ask them (which, totally gut-reaction-based, I suspect is the case).
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by snogglethorpe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:47AM (#8301354)
But many traditional varieties are much nicer than the Red Delicious... I've never eaten one right off a tree, but the R.D.s that make it into stores seem to be pretty bland and "one-dimensional" (purely sweet, no noticeable sourness or other tastes), and often have a sort of nasty bitter tasting skin.

[I notice that Fuji apples are a R.D. cross from the 1930s... But Fuji are vastly tastier (and more attractive!)...]

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Genmutant on Thursday September 11, 2014 @05:56AM (#8301685)
We have Boskoop apples in our garden, which I love! They are sour and great to cook with. And you can keep forever in your basement.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Pxtl on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:03AM (#8300819)
Has the apple itself changed? I don't remember the modern frustration with mealy red delicious apples when I was a kid - I loved them back then. Is modern shipping or farming rougher now?
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by jemfinch on Thursday September 11, 2014 @02:04AM (#8301114)
I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm 33 and remember hating red delicious since elementary school because they were mealy. So by the late 80s, at least, the mealiness had set in.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by dasil003 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:56AM (#8301380)
36 and the same. I specifically remember thinking that apples from the harvest out in the country were mana from god and only available on a farm in autumn. Then one day Braeburn showed up in the supermarket, and since then I have never become visually aware a Red Delicious in the same way that none of us here see banner ads.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by bitJericho on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:50AM (#8302240)
I generally don't eat apples at all because I'm not a fan of Red Delicious. Although I have had other apples on occasion, in my mind all apples = not my fruit of choice. Reading this though maybe I need to go buy some varieties and try them out.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by rayiner on Thursday September 11, 2014 @09:55AM (#8302545)
Ditto.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Hytosys on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:33AM (#8300911)
The article features expert insight into why this might have happened, in case you missed it:

Noting the 1980s as when it all started to go down hill: "But as genes for beauty were favored over those for taste, the skins grew tough and bitter around mushy, sugar-soaked flesh."

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by Jedd on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:02AM (#8302591)
Unfortunately the author (and perhaps others) are confused. This variety is the same, genetically, now as it was 40 years ago.

They're all propagated from cuttings, hence they are genetically identical. Which means the skins are the same as they were before, and the flesh as is bitter (or otherwise) as it was before, etc.

If they weren't, they wouldn't be called the same name, as evinced by many other 'modern' varieties, that are crosses or hybrids of (other) known apple varieties.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by dragonwriter on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:15AM (#8302673)
> They're all propagated from cuttings, hence they are genetically identical. Which means the skins are the same as they were before, and the flesh as is bitter (or otherwise) as it was before, etc.

No, it actually doesn't mean that. First, genetics aren't the only determinants of those features; environmental factors, growing, shipping, and storage conditions, etc., all play a role.

Second, propagation by cutting doesn't mean they are genetically identical, because mutations still occur and are an important source of variability, and not all of them result in different branding.

Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by omnibrain on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:49AM (#8302000)
Just like Strawberries...
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by michael_h on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:05AM (#8302608)
I started growing strawberries at home. The first homegrown berry that I tasted was like fireworks going off in my brain.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by mendort on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:24AM (#8302155)
And Tomatoes... Though fortunately that is finally being rectified.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by deelowe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:44PM (#8303954)
Yeah. When did they get so sour? Ever bought blackberrys at the store? Same thing. Thankfully, I can pick those in my backyard.
Re:The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious by xaphod on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:34AM (#8301325)
AFAIK apple varieties don't change over time, because the same genes are used over and over by grafting the trees instead of growing from seed. This is because seedlings produce wildly different characteristics from their parents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Breeding