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Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by rjzzleep on Thursday August 07, 2014 @06:57AM (#8147040)
how about argentina for example? the non aligned movement has at least 120 member states, you'd think that there are one or two states that don't exactly agree with US foreign policy, eh?
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by tomp on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:11AM (#8147067)
How would he get there? Not by plane; last year, Bolivian President's plane was forced to land in EU on suspicion that he was carrying Snowden on board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:42AM (#8147161)
The US guessed that Snowden was on that plane, and guessed wrong.

But it was a reasonable guess given that Snowden had been in Russia for a week and Evo Morales was talking about offering him asylum.

It's harder to guess right when Snowden could (in theory) board any plane leaving Moscow on any day this year or next, or the year after that.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by gpvos on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:26AM (#8147314)
The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight. His only chances are on flights with diplomatic immunity.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:37AM (#8147356)
> The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight

Tracking his day-to-day movements, even if he should arrange to get to an airport in secret? Extraordinary. Do you have a link for that?

What I meant was the has a much broader choice of flights and even airports now. The odds seem to more in his favour now, should he wish to move.

Though actually, why would he? I don't see any advantage for Snowden from relocating to the same show, but in Venezuela or Argentina.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by watwut on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:54AM (#8147421)
Why would tracking someones movements be an extraordinary achievement for CIA? And if he would travel under his own name, why should it be hard for them to know where and when did he booked a flight?

Both tasks should be business as usual for such huge secret service.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by kachnuv_ocasek on Thursday August 07, 2014 @09:03AM (#8147457)
Given the incident linked above, it may not be as easy as it seems in movies.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by watwut on Thursday August 07, 2014 @09:35AM (#8147604)
I'm not saying it is easy and flawless, just that calling it "extraordinary" is in all likelihood an exaggeration. They do not need to know where exactly he is at every single moment to make travel too risky for him. Them not knowing where he was during that incident does not imply them not knowing where he is now. Neither it implies them not having an informer who would tip them if the Snowden tries to arrange secret fly.

CIA had a lot of time between them and now. It also have a lot of resources and his movements are likely to be top priority for them. Them knowing he boarded a plane is real risk for him.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 07, 2014 @11:49AM (#8148329)
> Why would tracking someones movements be an extraordinary achievement for CIA?

I do think that would be an achievement while he's under the wing of the Russian government. But what do I know?

What's really extraordinary is that gpvos knows for sure that it's not only doable but is actually happening; and is willing to share this intel with us. Or they seem to know; no citation to support the claim has been provided yet. It could just be internet BS.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by gpvos on Monday August 11, 2014 @12:21PM (#8163863)
I'm not so sure he's actually being protected in any real way by the Russian government, as you seem to claim. Although the FSB is probably keeping tabs on him too.

For the rest: what watwut said in a nearby comment. I'm just extrapolating from things like the Evo Morales incident.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by Sami_Lehtinen on Friday August 08, 2014 @01:49AM (#8151644)
Submarines have been used to smuggle people. Both Argentina and Russia got submarines. But is it worth of it? But would be simpler to just take any private boat ride to Argentina. You don't need to always fly.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by gpvos on Monday August 11, 2014 @12:28PM (#8163895)
He has a chance, but I think the US would know after a few days that he has left the country, and would just raid all boats on plausible routes. The US is not all-powerful, but still pretty powerful and white-hot with rage, and willing to risk diplomatic incidents over this.

Submarines would be too expensive. He's not worth that much to Russia, Argentina or any other country.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by sjwright on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:45AM (#8147172)
He's got three years to quietly pick a flight. A piece of cake compared to pull off, if the strategy is good.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by mariuolo on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:37AM (#8147358)
To be honest I'm not sure why he would. South American countries tend to have volatile regimes and Russia is probably the best place for him to stay, even occupationally.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by unreal37 on Thursday August 07, 2014 @01:29PM (#8148937)
And I wouldn't put it past the CIA to perform an extraordinary rendition since he can be easily plucked from a cafe in Bolivia. Harder to do one from Russia.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by higherpurpose on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:10AM (#8147065)
The problem is the US could try and stop his plane again when it passes above some US vassal country like UK, France, Spain, and so on. On the other hand, those countries would have to be pretty stupid to do that right now to Russia and force Putin's hand into a war (regardless of their chances of winning I think we can agree a war in Europe would be bad for all parties).
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by saalweachter on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:16AM (#8147083)
Is there this problem for a boat?

Granted, a boat trip is longer, which is more time for things to (be made to) go wrong, but if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers?

(With a follow up: is there a sea route between Russia and Friendly Country X which doesn't pass through waters claimed by another country?)

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by icebraining on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:21AM (#8147100)
if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers?

Legal grounds? Does it matter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by srean on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:42AM (#8147381)
Too bad that I can upvote this only once.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by TeMPOraL on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:26AM (#8147113)
> if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers?

Suddenly, pirates, out of fucking nowhere.

EDIT:

Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some "random" thing happened to Snowden if he tried to go by a boat. Just like Assange became an sex offender out of the blue the moment he seriously pissed off the US government.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by victorhooi on Thursday August 07, 2014 @10:28AM (#8147851)
Well, not to put a fine point on it, but Assange was already known as a bit of a dick.

I think the issue was, what was considered rape in Sweden was basically just being a misogynistic douche in other countries.

However, he would have known this well before going into the country, it's not like they created a new law just for him.

I doubt the US is so subtle as to use pirates. People seem to have these grand conspiracies about how the government is like a ninja...it's not.

They will simply send the police around and arrest him. Seriously, why are they going to bother with cloak and daggers for? This isn't a Bond movie. They will simply arrest him, and charge him with espionage charges since...err..that's sort of what he did?

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by jeffasinger on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:57AM (#8147431)
As far as routes, Russia doesn't have the best access to the ocean. He'd definitely have to pass through waters claimed by nations not friendly towards him. The 3 best options are:

Vladivostok, which is very close to Japan, and would be nearly impossible to not go through either South Korean or Japanese waters. Neither of which are friendly to him.

Sevastopol, Which requires going through the Turkey, and then either through the straights of Gibraltar or Egypt.

St Petersburg, Which requires passing through Denmark.

If I were in his shoes, I'd probably try to charter a Jet coming out of Vladivostok. If that wasn't possible, I think I'd choose the Sevastopol/Gibraltar route by sea.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by 67726e on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:28AM (#8147119)
The US Navy is probably the biggest problem. That and the navies of all of its allies.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by hadoukenio on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:08AM (#8147247)
The boldest move would be for Putin to let Snowden board a nuclear sub and let him go freely to his chosen destination, under the protection of the Russian navy.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by meepmorp on Thursday August 07, 2014 @09:55AM (#8147693)
If Putin's willing to go to that level of provocation, why bother with a sub? Sending him on a surface ship is easier, cheaper, and less of a security risk. It's not like the US is going to try to board a Russian military vessel.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by hadoukenio on Thursday August 07, 2014 @11:10AM (#8148081)
Planes are easier to ground (see what happened with Morales). The US wouldn't even be close to knowing where Russia's subs would be:

  http://thediplomat.com/2011/10/chinas-overhyped-submarine-threat/
> It was the US Navy’s biggest jolt in years. On October 26, 2006, a Chinese Song-class attack submarine quietly surfaced within nine miles of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk as the 80,000-ton-diplacement vessel sailed on a training exercise in the East China Sea between Japan and Taiwan.

>The Song-class vessel, displacing 2,200 tons, was close enough to hit the Kitty Hawk with one of its 18 homing torpedoes. None of the carrier’s roughly dozen escorting warships detected the Song until it breached the surface.

And:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFVOL7mLd4#t=9m58s
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by meepmorp on Thursday August 07, 2014 @02:35PM (#8149328)
I don't know what your point is.
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by hadoukenio on Thursday August 07, 2014 @05:53PM (#8150312)
Sorry, I thought it was obvious.

My point was that if Snowden were to travel by plane then there is a high probability that it could be forced to be grounded and Snowden captured then sent to Gitmo.

But if he were to travel by submarine, he would be untouchable from the US Navy.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by meepmorp on Thursday August 07, 2014 @10:05PM (#8151104)
My point was that if Putin were willing to send Snowden elsewhere, why not just use a regular military surface ship. Or, for that matter, why not fly him in a Russian air force transport?

It's silly to think the US would get into a military engagement with Russia just to capture Snowden. At this point, he's not that valuable to either side, except as a propaganda tool. Hell, Putin would probably do a happy dance if the US were stupid enough to do something like that. The sabre rattling in the Ukraine has made him very popular - one can only imagine what a revived cold war rivalry would do for him; in the short term, at least.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by ArtDev on Thursday August 07, 2014 @08:26AM (#8147310)
Now that, is a super good idea.

Pretty much the best way to travel under the radar.

Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by skrause on Thursday August 07, 2014 @07:15AM (#8147078)
Would he have to fly through Europe? Isn't a direct flight from the eastern end of Russia over the Pacific possible as well?
Re:Russia extends Snowden residency by three years by phantom784 on Thursday August 07, 2014 @10:35AM (#8147897)
A great circle rotue from eastern Russia to South America would fly over the US - probably the last thing Snowden wants to do.

http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif