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Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:21PM (#8077476)
I'm sorry but I find this statement totally retarded.

Firstly as if anyone is going to be able to know all the doctors names even in this particular case and I'm sure there's plenty of other epidemics out there right now that are also dangerous.

Secondly there are more than doctors working on this case. Three other nurses also died as per the article.

Thirdly this story is hitting all the major news channels. It's currently top of HN. People are knowing this story.

Fourthly we don't live in a fantasy novel where knowing someone's name means something. Could we on HN at least talk about constructive things not emotive clap trap, we see this ever single day anyway from sites like upworthy.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by michaelbuddy on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:29PM (#8077517)
Following that logic, it wasn't even newsworthy for Reuters to post the article at all right? I mean who cares, it's just emotive BS. I mean it's not like humans respond to stories about humans, and become motivated by their actions, selfless heroic etc. Better to just have news in the form of graphs of incidences with no names associated so we can keep track of it.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:32PM (#8077973)
How on earth does it follow it's not news worthy? I can not even comprehend that logic? I know I upped the story.

But perhaps the fact 3 nurses died before this and it didn't rate as high as this important news (Or OP's comments) you should at least look internally to what exactly the news is and what it means.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by sliverstorm on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:06PM (#8077648)
Fourthly we don't live in a fantasy novel where knowing someone's name means something.

It doesn't do much for the dead person, but the names we chose to celebrate shows the traits we value. We make people heroes to celebrate what they did, because we dream of a world in which anyone would be willing to make the same sacrifices for other people.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by bertil on Thursday July 24, 2014 @05:16AM (#8078751)
I believe the idea was to have those people as heroes replace, say the Kardashian and the Jersey Shore characters in the attention of a large part of the population.

The argument in having them known rather than Nobel Prize laureate is usually is that its easier to make strong emotional connexion with drama queens than nerds scratching theory; in that case, the strong emotional connexion seems far easier to get and we could use medical role models.

Remembering names is hard, even as little as for -- but most people don't seem to remember the names of, say each Kardashian sister, or even Top Gear hosts: they can still point at "the smaller one". Having quotes, biopics, decumentary, rewards... the usual pagentry would allow people to have attitudes towards adversity that are humane, constructive and varied. One of those nurse could be spinned as the Alpha, controlling, head-strong, devil-may-care head nurse; be known widely for that, and still have a first name that most people can't spell. And another nurse could be more fearful, and go through acceptance of her fate, etc.: nothing really new to the ethico-cultural complex.

Someone mentionned Mother Theresa earlier: I doubt anyone can spell her civil name; people still know how loving she was, how opinionated, how indifferent to medical cure she surprisingly proved herself to be and have a complex image of her moral stance. Her influence on reconsidering extensive medical treatment as opposed to simple care at the end of a life is a interesting recent development in medecine.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by TallGuyShort on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:34PM (#8077539)
More deeply entrenching the idea that sacrificing selfish pursuits for the betterment of the human race is a noble ideal is for more constructive than emotive clap trap.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:32PM (#8077529)
Ever heard of Florence Nightingale?
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:26PM (#8077959)
I've also heard of Mother Teresa

Feel free to youtube Christopher Hitchen's round up of her.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:53PM (#8078020)
Teresa was no Florence Nightingale. They both knew about the power of using celebrity, but from there they substantially diverge.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by adamnemecek on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:47PM (#8078007)
How's that relevant?
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by tedks on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:31AM (#8078393)
Knowing someone's name doesn't necessarily mean they're a good person.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:45AM (#8078427)
Remembering the names of people who have done good things and sharing the stories of what they have done to inspire others to go and do the same. It is a simple premise and one that is common enough in human culture that I am not sure where the argument is coming from.

edit - you can also even apply the same technique to try and warn people of bad things. Go wild with it.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by adamnemecek on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:40AM (#8078414)
What an astute observation.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by tedks on Thursday July 24, 2014 @06:53PM (#8082817)
But not an irrelevant one, in this discussion, surely. Which is the point the comment parent was attempting to make, and you, probably because you dislike Christopher Hitchens (which I do as well, but anyway) you refused to acknowledge.

I've heard of Florence Nightengale. But I've also heard of Mother Teresa. My knowing even good things about a person doesn't necessarily impact how good of a person they actually were. I remember reading books as a kid with Mother Teresa in them as a totally sanctified figure, but what Christopher Hitchens says about her is probably true, and so she's not worth the respect that I gained for her and carried with me for so long.

I think it is an astute observation. For all I really know, Florence Nightengale was just an unskilled doctor-wannabe who ran around Crimea amputating people without cause. People that I think of as good aren't necessarily so. We have to remain skeptical.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @07:33PM (#8082968)
Florence Nightingale was not a randomly chosen figure. The argument was about what the point is of making heroes out of people. The thing is, when Florence first got to the Crimea, she was pretty rubbish at keeping folk alive, but she promoted the cause relentlessly back at home. It was her use of that celebrity that eventually got money and resources out to the Crimea and that saved more lives there than her medical skills did at the time.

In the long run, by her use of statistics, she invented modern nursing and much of the practice of evidence based medicine, but she got started by establishing a name for herself.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:58PM (#8078031)
Because... squirrel!

(argument provided for illustrative purposes)

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:02AM (#8079112)
OMG. It's not. That's my point. I feel like I'm in an crappy sitcom where everything has to be explained.

Random people idolised does not equal anything.

As per the best reply to what about..... squirrel.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:14AM (#8079155)
3 dead nurses don't beat one sick doctor. HN FTW.

Wonder what their names were?

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @09:33PM (#8083384)
Mbalu Fonnie, Basidatu Sheriff and Princess Iye Gborie.

knowing their names means something

remember them

since you wondered.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by kjs3 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:15PM (#8077930)
So...you're a dick. Got it.