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Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by feverishaaron on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @05:55PM (#8077159)
Knowingly putting yourself in danger to be the first line of defense against a potentially epidemic outbreak, deserves special recognition. Everyone should know these doctors' names. We need to make international heroes of these people.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by bellerocky on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @06:03PM (#8077199)
Not just the doctors, the nurses and all those who help.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by droopyEyelids on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @09:32PM (#8077832)
I'm curious how many nurses or PCTs have already died.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by __e on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @09:48PM (#8077865)
From the article:

"Three days ago, three nurses working in the same Ebola treatment centre alongside Khan died from the disease."

I hope each one of them gets the recognition they deserve.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by dingdingdang on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:34AM (#8079235)
Somehow having their names out in public would help tremendously, so far they remain a nameless one-liner in an article about the doctor :/
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @10:05PM (#8083457)
I believe the three nurses referenced are Mbalu Fonnie, Basidatu Sheriff and Princess Iye Gborie and there is also another health worker, Mr. Alex Moigboi, who died at the same time.

source - http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_200525821.shtml

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by dingdingdang on Monday July 28, 2014 @08:45AM (#8096361)
Thanks a lot for finding the names, I hope it'll help just a little bit to give equal credit to all who fights at the front-lines with this disease - they deserve all the possible credit they can get!
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by madaxe_again on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:59AM (#8079352)
A close family friend is a very senior nurse at the Red Cross, and was deployed to help deal with the Ebola outbreak some months ago.

The emails I've had from her are horrifying. What's being reported in the media is the absolute tip of the iceberg - entire communities are being wiped out, the infection rate is growing in an epidemic fashion, and there are growing concerns that there's an airborne (droplet) transmission method, as there are numerous inexplicable infections. That said, it could also be the prevalence of bush meat which is helping to drive this.

There's talk of the Red Cross imminently pulling out, as it's no longer safe for their staff to be there.

Can you say "sacrifice zone"?

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by vilhelm_s on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @06:58PM (#8077392)
Similarly, there is a memorial in Hong Kong Park with statues of the doctors who died during the SARS epidemic.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fighting_SARS_Memori...

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by blazespin on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:06PM (#8077647)
I have a better idea: why don't we all start paying these people large sums of money rather than merely thanking them for sacrificing their lives while we don't have to?

We'd be less likely to send people into battle if we actually had to pay our soldiers what they're actually risking.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by true_religion on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:32PM (#8077974)
I think its because historically mercenaries would fight less strenuously, and break at the first sign of real trouble as dead men can't collect their pay.

On a more contemporary note, research has shown that if you replace an intrinsic rationale (e.g. patriotism) for an action with an extrinisc one (e.g. money), its impossible to go back. I imagine its a lot easier to create patriotism than money, so people want to stick with that solution.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by mercurial on Thursday July 24, 2014 @04:15AM (#8078637)
> I think its because historically mercenaries would fight less strenuously, and break at the first sign of real trouble as dead men can't collect their pay.

That's debatable. Swiss mercenary pikemen enjoyed two centuries of well-earned respect for their fighting abilities, for instance. Or you can take the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine emperors, or the Gallowglass mercenaries. The issue was more often that many of them would not hesitate to change sides if it was seen as more profitable.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by cafard on Thursday July 24, 2014 @10:31AM (#8079743)
Indeed, when Alexios Comnenus needed to bribe his way into Byzantium, he didn't even bother trying the Varangians, figuring that it was pointless. And the Swiss were known for loyalty.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by mercurial on Friday July 25, 2014 @09:21AM (#8085014)
Yes, I was more thinking of the European Renaissance period, where many armies incorporated large mercenary contingents which some of them, like the Landsknechts, happily changing employers. Italian Condotierri were also notorious for this behaviour.

Though it should be said that employers were not necessarily more trustworthy, and could be prone to "forget" to pay the mercenaries they had hired once they had no more need for them.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by danudey on Thursday July 24, 2014 @09:29AM (#8079465)
> The issue was more often that many of them would not hesitate to change sides if it was seen as more profitable.

Well at least that's not a concern in the case of ebola researchers.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by blazespin on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:08PM (#8077650)
Nevermind! The emotive clap trap is much easier on my taxes. I'd hate to actually have to pony up for things like VA hospitals. Better to just give them nice parking spots and Veteran's day parades.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:17PM (#8077674)
2nd edit - removed the post completely, I was being far too offensive.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by 4channer on Thursday July 24, 2014 @03:18AM (#8078495)
"'I am afraid for my life, I must say, because I cherish my life,' he said in an interview, showing no signs of ill health at the time."

Ugh, what a shame, fingers crossed he's the 10% that survives the disease.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by Pxtl on Thursday July 24, 2014 @07:36AM (#8079052)
My understanding is that more than 10% survive in cases where they're well-cared-for and hydrated. Still bad odds, but not 10%.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by bertil on Thursday July 24, 2014 @05:03AM (#8078728)
> Ugh, what a shame, fingers crossed he's the 10% that survives the disease.

If only for his detailed knowledge of the disease, yes. One thing that is overlooked when considering the ethics of "that patient is more derserving than others" (see comments about nurses above) is how often throwing everything at a small number of otherwise healthy patients helps finding unexpected cures. It was very true for rich patients with HIV for instance.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:21PM (#8077476)
I'm sorry but I find this statement totally retarded.

Firstly as if anyone is going to be able to know all the doctors names even in this particular case and I'm sure there's plenty of other epidemics out there right now that are also dangerous.

Secondly there are more than doctors working on this case. Three other nurses also died as per the article.

Thirdly this story is hitting all the major news channels. It's currently top of HN. People are knowing this story.

Fourthly we don't live in a fantasy novel where knowing someone's name means something. Could we on HN at least talk about constructive things not emotive clap trap, we see this ever single day anyway from sites like upworthy.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by michaelbuddy on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:29PM (#8077517)
Following that logic, it wasn't even newsworthy for Reuters to post the article at all right? I mean who cares, it's just emotive BS. I mean it's not like humans respond to stories about humans, and become motivated by their actions, selfless heroic etc. Better to just have news in the form of graphs of incidences with no names associated so we can keep track of it.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:32PM (#8077973)
How on earth does it follow it's not news worthy? I can not even comprehend that logic? I know I upped the story.

But perhaps the fact 3 nurses died before this and it didn't rate as high as this important news (Or OP's comments) you should at least look internally to what exactly the news is and what it means.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by sliverstorm on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @08:06PM (#8077648)
Fourthly we don't live in a fantasy novel where knowing someone's name means something.

It doesn't do much for the dead person, but the names we chose to celebrate shows the traits we value. We make people heroes to celebrate what they did, because we dream of a world in which anyone would be willing to make the same sacrifices for other people.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by bertil on Thursday July 24, 2014 @05:16AM (#8078751)
I believe the idea was to have those people as heroes replace, say the Kardashian and the Jersey Shore characters in the attention of a large part of the population.

The argument in having them known rather than Nobel Prize laureate is usually is that its easier to make strong emotional connexion with drama queens than nerds scratching theory; in that case, the strong emotional connexion seems far easier to get and we could use medical role models.

Remembering names is hard, even as little as for -- but most people don't seem to remember the names of, say each Kardashian sister, or even Top Gear hosts: they can still point at "the smaller one". Having quotes, biopics, decumentary, rewards... the usual pagentry would allow people to have attitudes towards adversity that are humane, constructive and varied. One of those nurse could be spinned as the Alpha, controlling, head-strong, devil-may-care head nurse; be known widely for that, and still have a first name that most people can't spell. And another nurse could be more fearful, and go through acceptance of her fate, etc.: nothing really new to the ethico-cultural complex.

Someone mentionned Mother Theresa earlier: I doubt anyone can spell her civil name; people still know how loving she was, how opinionated, how indifferent to medical cure she surprisingly proved herself to be and have a complex image of her moral stance. Her influence on reconsidering extensive medical treatment as opposed to simple care at the end of a life is a interesting recent development in medecine.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by TallGuyShort on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:34PM (#8077539)
More deeply entrenching the idea that sacrificing selfish pursuits for the betterment of the human race is a noble ideal is for more constructive than emotive clap trap.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @07:32PM (#8077529)
Ever heard of Florence Nightingale?
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:26PM (#8077959)
I've also heard of Mother Teresa

Feel free to youtube Christopher Hitchen's round up of her.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:53PM (#8078020)
Teresa was no Florence Nightingale. They both knew about the power of using celebrity, but from there they substantially diverge.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by adamnemecek on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:47PM (#8078007)
How's that relevant?
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by tedks on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:31AM (#8078393)
Knowing someone's name doesn't necessarily mean they're a good person.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:45AM (#8078427)
Remembering the names of people who have done good things and sharing the stories of what they have done to inspire others to go and do the same. It is a simple premise and one that is common enough in human culture that I am not sure where the argument is coming from.

edit - you can also even apply the same technique to try and warn people of bad things. Go wild with it.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by adamnemecek on Thursday July 24, 2014 @02:40AM (#8078414)
What an astute observation.
Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by tedks on Thursday July 24, 2014 @06:53PM (#8082817)
But not an irrelevant one, in this discussion, surely. Which is the point the comment parent was attempting to make, and you, probably because you dislike Christopher Hitchens (which I do as well, but anyway) you refused to acknowledge.

I've heard of Florence Nightengale. But I've also heard of Mother Teresa. My knowing even good things about a person doesn't necessarily impact how good of a person they actually were. I remember reading books as a kid with Mother Teresa in them as a totally sanctified figure, but what Christopher Hitchens says about her is probably true, and so she's not worth the respect that I gained for her and carried with me for so long.

I think it is an astute observation. For all I really know, Florence Nightengale was just an unskilled doctor-wannabe who ran around Crimea amputating people without cause. People that I think of as good aren't necessarily so. We have to remain skeptical.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @07:33PM (#8082968)
Florence Nightingale was not a randomly chosen figure. The argument was about what the point is of making heroes out of people. The thing is, when Florence first got to the Crimea, she was pretty rubbish at keeping folk alive, but she promoted the cause relentlessly back at home. It was her use of that celebrity that eventually got money and resources out to the Crimea and that saved more lives there than her medical skills did at the time.

In the long run, by her use of statistics, she invented modern nursing and much of the practice of evidence based medicine, but she got started by establishing a name for herself.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:58PM (#8078031)
Because... squirrel!

(argument provided for illustrative purposes)

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:02AM (#8079112)
OMG. It's not. That's my point. I feel like I'm in an crappy sitcom where everything has to be explained.

Random people idolised does not equal anything.

As per the best reply to what about..... squirrel.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by aaron695 on Thursday July 24, 2014 @08:14AM (#8079155)
3 dead nurses don't beat one sick doctor. HN FTW.

Wonder what their names were?

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by lotsofmangos on Thursday July 24, 2014 @09:33PM (#8083384)
Mbalu Fonnie, Basidatu Sheriff and Princess Iye Gborie.

knowing their names means something

remember them

since you wondered.

Re:Sierra Leone's chief Ebola doctor contracts the virus by kjs3 on Wednesday July 23, 2014 @10:15PM (#8077930)
So...you're a dick. Got it.