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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by fit2rule on Monday July 07, 2014 @08:55AM (#7998517)
>After all, USA is the biggest partner of the EU/Germany.

The US is not just Germanys' biggest partner - it controls Germanys' sovereignty. The German intelligence services are all run from Washington. When Merkel says 'it does not matter', its because its really not relevant that America is spying on Germany: its allowed to. Germany lost WW2, and has not had a restoration of the sovereignty of its intelligence services in its constitution. That part is still held by the occupying power.

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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by eru on Monday July 07, 2014 @09:05AM (#7998572)
Didn't the 4+2 treaties restore full sovereignty?
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by tobiasu on Monday July 07, 2014 @09:17AM (#7998621)
On paper. But the 2+4 treaty is mostly Soviets leave, NATO stays and expands.
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by arrrg on Monday July 07, 2014 @09:55AM (#7998791)
So what you are actually saying is, yes, Germany has full sovereignty.

Please don’t spread this bullshit. There is (mostly) mutually beneficial strong cooperation with a power-differential. That’s all. Stop spinning your dumb conspiracy theories.

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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by tobiasu on Monday July 07, 2014 @10:15AM (#7998909)
How about you stop raging about things I didn't say?
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by eru on Monday July 07, 2014 @09:30PM (#8002610)
Similar to the UK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the...) and a long list of other countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military...).
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by fit2rule on Monday July 07, 2014 @12:22PM (#7999592)
Germany does not have full sovereignty and won't, ever, until a Peace Treaty is signed and ratified. America won't allow that to happen because then it'd have to pull out all of its troops - and in case you didn't know, Germany is full of American troops and other military-industrial resources.

Germany is, at most, a puppet state - a model for what America had hoped to pull off in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and so on ..

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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by tobiasu on Monday July 07, 2014 @01:27PM (#8000008)
My question is: If Germany is still occupied, what is it that it can not do?
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by mschuster91 on Monday July 07, 2014 @05:03PM (#8001397)
Stand up to the shit the NSA is doing. Eject those fucking bastards who operate the NSA listening posts in Germany.

Seriously, everyone who works for the NSA has lost all my respect. You're undermining civil rights for everyone including yourself.

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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by arrrg on Wednesday July 09, 2014 @03:23PM (#8011715)
You do understand the difference between power differentials combined with different priorities and coercion by force?
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by fit2rule on Monday July 07, 2014 @11:17AM (#7999273)
Not fully valid until a Peace Treaty is signed (thus ending the war). The US is intentionally not allowing Germany to pursue such things so that it can maintain its bases on Germany without fuss. Also, I reiterate: the US runs Germanys' intelligence services.
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by eru on Tuesday July 08, 2014 @01:15AM (#8003099)
How do I recognize a Peace Treaty when I see one?
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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by kgarten on Monday July 07, 2014 @10:29AM (#7998997)
wondering why your comment is down-voted. The reaction of German politicians (CDU and SPD) underlines your point: Since the Snowden leaks they keep quite and hope it passes, because they know they cannot do anything against it (they are in the same boat) ... If Germany were a partner to US, it would make a fuzz about it.

Another hint about the sovereignty: there are still army bases on German ground, from which drones are controlled and people are killed ...

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Re:Germany turns up pressure in suspected US spy case by rollo on Monday July 07, 2014 @10:43AM (#7999098)
As a German I'm really glad about that. Germany is still not capable to act on its own. We're lucky the US are willing to hold us up while taking all the PR flak.
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