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Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build on my own?

This summer I decided to take some time off - the last two weeks of August - and spend them at home doing nothing. The experience of freedom from office work was so wonderful that I want more of it!

This Monday, immediately upon returning, I told my boss I'll be resigning in about three months. (That's a reasonable grace period because the job happens to be my all-time favorite - http://kosmosnimki.ru - plus I happen to be the lead client-side dev, and the boss happens to be my schoolmate.) Same day I told my landlord I'll be moving away in a month to find a cheaper apartment. There's some money stashed from previous odd jobs that will last me several months at least.

So freedom is ahead, now what? Starting a startup would be the logical course of action... except I've never had a burning desire to make a lot of money, and business ideas don't pop into my head by themselves. So I'm turning to you for suggestions.

(Personal background: the HN community may remember me from my project http://openphotovr.org that was discussed on HN a year ago or so. I know my math and can program passably well in most languages used in the industry and some exotic ones.)

( 48 comments | 32 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by flooha on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:47PM (#798323)
I know exactly how you feel. I was recently laid off for 5 weeks and worked full-time on my startup. Working from home was so awesome... http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=641400

With that said, here are my thoughts.

First of all, you're lucky if you enjoy your job and work with friends. I would strongly suggest that you see if you can work part-time while you "do your own thing", with a possibility of coming back full-time, should you ever "come to your senses".

With no plan, no idea, no help and no anything, I don't see how you can support yourself past "several months at least". One remedy is to find a fledgling startup to join. It's risky without knowing the other founders well, but it could be good experience.

My #1 recommendation for you is to read the following links:

http://www.slideshare.net/venturehacks/customer-development-...

http://steveblank.com/2009/08/27/the-leading-cause-of-startu...

http://steveblank.com/2009/08/31/the-customer-development-ma...

Basically, the idea is to verify that your idea can actually make money before you write one line of code. Since you're probably heavy on tech and light on customer development, use this time to learn and experiment. I'm not telling you this as a know-it-all, I'm telling you this as someone who wishes they would have done it years ago.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

EDIT: spelling

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:50PM (#798336)
Thanks a lot! This is precisely the kind of answer I wanted. Don't want to stay for part-time, though; I'm terrible at switching from project to project, this takes days.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by ashishk on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:20PM (#798259)
Here's a serious idea.

An SMS-based/ mobile app that will help me and my family encourage each other to work out.

For example, when I come back for a run, I would text in "just ran 5 miles" and my parents and sister would get the text /email/ twitter update and perhaps be encouraged to exercise as well!

Some other functionality could be showing me trends of my workouts (think Nike+ on iPhones) vis a vis my other family members, or SMS updates ("your son said you should go for a run!").

The problem is that people in this country are getting fatter every day, and could use motivation to work out. Support and ecouragement from family and friends might be the most effective source of motivation.

Thoughts?

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by prosa on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:41PM (#798309)
This is a neat idea. However, by enabling the user to post "just ran 5 miles" you are just duplicating the point of Twitter!

More compelling, to me, is a site that scrapes your Twitterfeed for "<action verb: ran/biked/swam> <#> <miles/km>"-type posts, and tracks the data automatically through a website.

You could increase your conversion rate through a bunch of neat hacks: 1. Using a script to scrape tweets like this and DM them once you have X datapoints charted, inviting them over 2. Allowing people to view their history without registering, just by going to http://<website>/<username>; -- you could spider their tweet history on the fly

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by ashishk on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:16PM (#798403)
yeah i thought about that, but i dont want to spam my twitter followers. plus it just makes me look like a tool =)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by prosa on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:43PM (#798459)
Fair point!
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:36PM (#798297)
That may be a good idea, but I live in Russia and practically no one around me is fat, so it'll be hard for me to muster the startup enthusiasm. :-) Anyway, thanks!
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by dtf on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:18PM (#798409)
Here's some useful marketing intelligence:

http://www.food.gov.uk/healthiereating/advertisingtochildren...

Probably best to target the merely overweight than the hopelessly obese. In which case Russia (or perhaps more urgently my native England) actually looks like a fair bet!

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by ashishk on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:17PM (#798405)
lol. yeah american lazyness is definitely unmatched at this point. maybe give Russia 25 more years =)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by gvb on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:53PM (#798482)
See Uladoo http://uladoo.com/

It was just blogged about at Atomic Object http://spin.atomicobject.com/2009/09/01/chart-your-life-with...

Edit: fix links. Arrgh!

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by int2e on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:40PM (#798307)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:46PM (#798322)
Good list. Three years ago I made a working demo of #22 but then got distracted by personal problems. Thanks for reminding me.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by BigZaphod on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:09PM (#798242)
Having never done this myself, I have to ask: Shouldn't the normal order of process be: 1) have an idea, 2) quit job to work on it full time, 3) profit! It seems to me like your #1 and #2 are swapped. That doesn't mean it won't work out for you, though. :)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by amirnathoo on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:21PM (#798261)
Isn't a more common order 1) unsettled in job, have an idea 2) quit to work on it full time 3) realize the original idea sucks and zero in on a new one through trial and error 4) profit!

In which case, skipping step 1 doesn't seem too harmful to the process.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by MichaelApproved on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:34PM (#798437)
1) have an idea 2) have an idea 3) work on it WHILE still holding your job 4) quit job only when you're ready to ramp up the project

You're in for a big surprise if you think you're going to get more freedom while running your own business.

A key part of running your own business is being able to accept feedback. Notice that instead of giving you an idea most people are telling you that you might be making a mistake.

Reconsider this decision. By all means start your own business but come up with an idea and develop it a little before you quit your job.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:11PM (#798247)
I have three months to think of an idea, surely that should be enough for us :-)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by imp on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:39PM (#798305)
Like others, I'm not really going to answer the question you asked, but instead offer unsolicited advice on the decision you've made.

Being at home doing nothing is fun, but realize that you'll be at home working your ass off. If it was the "doing nothing" part that was most interesting to you then a startup may not be as much fun as you're currently anticipating.

Also, I don't know what your financial situation is, but "several months" of savings doesn't sound like a whole lot if you're just starting from scratch now. It could likely take longer than that to get ramen profitable.

Just some background, I was in a somewhat similar situation last year. The new startup/project I quit my job for was something that I had been working on part-time for 3 years before that. Even with that head start, my initial revenue was only about 10% of what I had projected/hoped for. It's still steadily growing and could be ramen profitable in the next year or two, but I just wanted to share my experience to let you know that financially it could be harder and longer than you think. It was for me.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:56PM (#798352)
So ramen profitability will take you five years? That's pretty depressing - I don't want to think about that scenario :-)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by imp on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:03PM (#798375)
Yeah, it was very depressing when it first hit me. Great learning experience though.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by edw519 on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:16PM (#798253)
the job happens to be my all-time favorite

What are you crazy?!?

I've had many jobs and I've liked few of them. If you have a job you love working for a schoolmate, why would you want to leave? You don't even have any plans. I'd understand this a little better if you had a project you're dying to work on full time, but that's not the case.

Why don't you just keep your job and find a side project. If that side project gets big, go part time. If it gets so big, you're burning to work on it full-time, then quit, but not before.

Good jobs are hard to come by and jobs you love are almost impossible to come by. Also, don't discount all the data you get from your job to feed your startup plans. Lots of people would love to do a startup, but don't know what to work on. People with jobs don't have that problem as much. The job can be the source of lots of great ideas for things people actually need right now.

I'm the last person to discourage anyone from doing their thing, but job vs. startup is not a binary decision. You can do both, at least for a while.

Keep that all-time favorite job for now. You can always leave later once something else has wings.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by icey on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:26PM (#798275)
No matter how much I've liked any job I've had, I always knew I was working for someone else.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by redorb on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:38PM (#798301)
you say that like working for someone else is bad - do you think your startup will have no customers? (for whom you'll be working_for harder than your boss)
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by icey on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:55PM (#798349)
You're overparsing my intention. When you work for another company, there is always someone else who ultimately has to sign off on your decisions; I'd far rather be the person with whom the buck always stops.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by nostrademons on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @02:41PM (#798585)
That's not necessarily true. I can code basically whatever I want. I just can't launch it without Marissa's approval. But there are more potential internal users at Google than most startups ever get anyway, and anything with significant internal traction will likely get launched regardless of the decision-makers' opinions.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by icey on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @02:53PM (#798603)
With my day job right now, I determine our release schedule, what features go into the product, how things get implemented, what tools we use, what languages we use, what hardware we purchase, what development methodologies we use, how we build, how we test, how we handle user training, how we deal with bug reports, what candidates we hire, which people we fire, and I don't have to ask for permission to do any of these things.

But, it's not my company; and what I can and can't do could change instantly if the guy at the top of the org chart decides on a whim that things are going to be done differently. While I don't think it's likely to happen, it's still a possibility; and you have a lot less of that when it's you at top of the chart.

[Edit: I just want to preempt some other angles if I can; I know that things get muddy when you deal with investors and and boards of directors, and when you deal with partners and staff and all of those things. There's a bit of nuance here that I'm somehow not conveying. I guess at this point you either get what I'm saying or you don't.]

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by nostrademons on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @05:39PM (#799013)
If the guy at the top decides on a whim that things are going to be done differently, you can just keep doing what you're doing. If he doesn't like it, he can fire you, and then you're in exactly the same position as if you'd quit to pursue a startup. Except that you probably have a bit more savings, a bit more experience, and a bit more of a desire to prove him wrong.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by ams6110 on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:23PM (#798268)
On the other hand if you have a job you like and it's paying you well, it can be hard to get motivated enough to really work on a side project, even if it's something you'd like to try. Forcing a little hunger on yourself might be what you need.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by edw519 on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @02:37PM (#798573)
Forcing a little hunger on yourself might be what you need.

That hunger can easily become real, not virtual, if you're not careful :-)

Things take longer than they seem. Money lasts shorter than you plan.

Like I said before, I'm not one to discourage, but OP doesn't even have a "hair on fire" idea yet. I'd think twice before I left a job I loved.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by icey on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @02:57PM (#798611)
Let's take things with a grain of salt. It sounds like the OP can definitely hack - I'd assume if he needed to he could just go back and get another job, no?
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by edw519 on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @03:07PM (#798629)
Probably. Maybe I'm a little sensitive lately. I love the idea of doing my own startup. It trumps everything else I'm working on. But there's something to be said for a job you love. I know so many people who hate going to work, so OP shouldn't discount the job he loves too much, that's all.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by icey on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @03:10PM (#798634)
Well, you're right about having a great job being worth a lot; but the fact that the OP wants to leave something so great to work on starting up really speaks more to the depth of his drive to start up, right?

(Also, I totally agree with you about having an idea to work on before quitting.)

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:30PM (#798283)
Good jobs are hard to come by and jobs you love are almost impossible to come by.

I've loved all my jobs.

Also, don't discount all the data you get from your job to feed your startup plans.

I wouldn't dream of starting a competitor to the project we built together.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:50PM (#798335)
Where's that friend button when you need it...

How about this:

Find some idea, get your friend on board as an investor / advisor ? You guys seem to get along well and have each others interests at heart otherwise you wouldn't say you loved the job that much.

Three birds with one stone, angel investor / mentor / continued professional relationship, only this time you are in charge.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by maxklein on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:32PM (#798285)
Make an app in your favorite language with just a red button on it. Then just figure out what the button should do when pressed, and you'll be fine.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by tsestrich on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:55PM (#798490)
A modern day version of:

1.Quit job

2.Ask HN

3. ???

4.Profit!

Love it :)

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by Kaizyn on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @11:41PM (#799422)
Seriously, do not quit your job UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR KILLER IDEA!! Apologies for those who can't stand the all-caps. If you have a good job now, what you should do is move to a cheaper place to live and get your bills down to as low as possible. In the meantime, do some market research and really think about what kind of business you want to build or what kind of service you can provide. For this to be good, it needs to accommodate both your needs for doing something you enjoy and the needs of being a realistic profitable business. To do this well, you will want one to two years worth of savings in the bank, not a couple of months! Best of luck to you in this endeavor.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by didip on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:36PM (#798445)
Are you bored with http://openphotovr.org and its time to find a new project?

You did a really good job on it. Maybe you can create a business around it?

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @03:00PM (#798619)
I'm not bored with it and will definitely continue doing what its users ask me to do, but it was started explicitly as a non-profit: all photos are Creative Commons licensed and the code is GPL.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by UpFromTheGut on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:03PM (#799168)
http://openphotovr.org/ is really cool, good work! I uploaded a small set, and it was very easy to make a 3d scene.

I'm sure people would be willing to pay to be able to host a viewer on their own site. For example, companies may put a 3d scene of their office on their jobs listing page. Or restaurants, museums, universities, and so forth would do well to have one on their site.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by cousin_it on Wednesday September 02, 2009 @03:21AM (#799653)
Thanks! Actually you can already host a viewer on your own site for free, see the help page for how.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by Ixiaus on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:24PM (#798270)
Just start building something and let it evolve - sort of like stream of consciousness writing when you have writers block.

Just start building something simple and your mind will begin moving.

I've done the same thing you have with my life, congrats on taking the leap :) You might find it worth your while to pick up a weekend part time job too so you can have some fun money (having fun is necessary when you are cooped up all by yourself working in an intellectual space).

GL!

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by TravisLS on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:26PM (#798276)
I would love an app that could keep an inventory of the food i have on hand in my aparment (based on what I've ordered in the past and my own inventory revisions), allow me to order more when I run out (from freshdirect.com or whatever the local equivalent is), and provide me with recipes that I can make with what I have on hand. Kind of complicated to orchestrate the whole thing, but would be obscenely valuable.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by kls on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @02:55PM (#798607)
. Build a grocery list for a mobile app.

. Finds coupons

. Integrates with bar code scanner to inventory all items

. Integrates with weight scales to measure consumption to predict future usage.

. Integrates with grocery stores and online vendors for call ahead packaging and delivery.

I could go on and on on this one. If someone get funding for something like this let me know, I would be in.

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by nazgulnarsil on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:04PM (#798234)
build something to alleviate annoyance in your everyday life. even if someone else already has a product in that space, do it better.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by zackola on Wednesday September 02, 2009 @07:06AM (#799852)
I think you should have already built something else - at least a prototype - in your free time while staying gainfully employed and then quit later when you can at least guarantee yourself and any dependents a lifestyle full of roofs and ramen.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by alexmacgregor on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @03:13PM (#798648)
Contact me, alexander dot macgregor at gmail dot com, if you like. I am working on a project that might interest you.

I'd also be happy to discuss any ideas you might have. :)

Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by ptn on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @12:50PM (#798332)
Scratch your own itch: build something you either need and doesn't exist or it does exist but sucks.
Re:Ask HN: I'm resigning soon, any suggestions what to build... by mooted on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @01:18PM (#798408)
Ouch! You seem to have fallen in love with laziness.

>You are leaving a job you like, with no idea of what to do next.

>You are leaving a job you like, inspired by vacation.

Thats you being lazy.