Lotus, a web framework for Ruby

Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by Eleopteryx on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:38PM (#7933232)

This is depressingly similar to what I was aiming for when I recently began work on: https://github.com/lean-framework/lean (I feel like this happens to me a lot.)

Rails controllers are hard to test because actions aren't designed to be testable objects.

ActiveRecord models become monolithic because there's no separation of instantiation, validation, persistence, or retrieval.

I originally experimented with building a Rails app that forgoes ActiveRecord to a large extent; using plain Ruby classes + Virtus gem to separate the aforementioned concerns depending on context.

I was pretty satisfied with the number of design headaches I was able to avoid, which is when I started to create a framework around the aforementioned paradigms.

Not sure if I just lost my motivation or not, but I'm glad I'm not alone.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by yid on Monday June 23, 2014 @02:27PM (#7933537)

> This is depressingly similar

In graduate school, many a moon ago, my advisor would say that this is validation of the idea, so one should be happy to be on the right track.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by Eleopteryx on Monday June 23, 2014 @03:27PM (#7933989)

Thanks for the de-demotivation.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by alttab on Monday June 23, 2014 @03:59PM (#7934228)

I don't see it as such. I see it as "independently arriving at the same, correct solution." This is vision, not just skill. You don't see a lot of that. You probably just got distracted by another, harder problem once you realized you could see the end of the project.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by mattgreenrocks on Monday June 23, 2014 @04:37PM (#7934482)

It isn't zero sum. There's still substantial design space to explore.

Lotus being received well just means people are ready for the idea. That may not have been the case in 2011, for instance.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by Eleopteryx on Monday June 23, 2014 @04:52PM (#7934585)

I think I was misunderstood. By de-demotivation I meant re-motivation :)

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by desireco42 on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:41PM (#7933254)

Maybe you just found your kindred spirit and can join forces and produce something awesome for all of us

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by Eleopteryx on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:43PM (#7933268)

I'd be OK with that.

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Re:Lotus, a web framework for Ruby by ealdent on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @09:51AM (#7937705)

I seem to recall, a while back the creator of RVM suffered a similarly disheartening setback when rbenv came out. RVM is still going strong. The community has not decided on lightweight frameworks. The choices you make won't be the same as lotus. You will no doubt attract a group of like-minded people who will be grateful for your contributions.

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