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Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by mikeash on Monday June 23, 2014 @12:37AM (#7930263)
Is it really "most of the world"?

Living in France for a couple of years, and visiting London, Rome, and various other parts in that direction, I didn't see any more bicycle traffic than I see in the US. The one place where I have seen a lot of bicycles is Beijing, but that has completely disappeared in the past few years.

I wish we could discuss these things without turning it into a "the US is strange and stupid" whinefest.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by sleepyhead on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:06AM (#7930348)
Is there any other country that is built for individual automobile transportation the way the US is?

I haven't been to France but have you been to Amsterdam, Berlin or Copenhagen?

It is perfectly valid to criticize US without it being "the US is strange and stupid"

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by bane on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:19AM (#7930383)
Yeah sure. Australia struck me as very "american" in feeling. Lots of the new Chinese development is specially car friendly. Same with new Russian development. I was surprised with how unfriendly Ireland was to anything but a car.
Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by hessenwolf on Monday June 23, 2014 @04:58AM (#7930899)
It's amazing when you get further out into the country in the Republic. There's almost no option to safely get down the road unless you are in a vehicle.
Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by mikeash on Monday June 23, 2014 @01:48AM (#7930429)
It's perfectly valid to criticize the US based on how the US is. It's not valid to criticize it based on some notion that the US is unique in a way that it is not.

I have no problem with stuff like "the US should...." Where I have a problem is with "everybody else does it another way" when it's just not true.

Aside from adopting the metric system, I can't think of any legitimate criticism that fits that mold. Bicycles certainly don't seem to.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by bane on Monday June 23, 2014 @12:58AM (#7930325)
No, bike riding is incredibly uncommon the world over. Is an inconvenient, slow, tiring way to travel in anyplace without a good climate or near perfect terrain.

Edit: keep down voting in spite of your own ignorance. I've been lots of places the world over, and not seen lots of bikes outside of very very few areas with near perfect conditions for them.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by cylinder on Monday June 23, 2014 @10:38AM (#7932170)
Driving is convenient when all variables are optimized: when there's lots of free parking, no traffic, no reckless/drunk drivers, good safe roads, gas is cheap, etc etc.

But as we all know, driving in major cities is no longer optimal.

Any city that chooses driving over all other modes of transportation has deliberately decided it is closed for further growth at some point. Once you reach that critical population point, car-dependent life just becomes hell.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by bane on Monday June 23, 2014 @11:46AM (#7932557)
100% agreed. I'm heartened that lots of new development is taking a mindful approach to smarter, mixed-use design centered around mass transit. It feels like, in the U.S. at least, we're on the cusp of a major transformation in some areas.

Unfortunately, for millions and millions of people, the city is viewed as a work location, not a living location. Building bike friendly infrastructure ends at the city limits and needs inter-government coordination and cooperation to achieve door-to-door biking. If you've ever dipped your toes in cross-county or other inter-government initiatives, you'll know that this is an extremely difficult proposition.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by stinos on Monday June 23, 2014 @03:45AM (#7930689)
It's not our ignorance that downvotes you, rather the opposite: the knowledge you are not making sense.
Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by bane on Monday June 23, 2014 @07:25AM (#7931287)
Which part exactly doesn't make sense? Illuminate me why cycling should work in the vast majority of the world and why cars don't? Because apparently everybody outside of the Northwest Coast of the U.S. and the Netherlands must be idiots and morons who are simply overlooking a hassle-free and convenient utopia because they've been tricked by the big car and oil companies to prefer to get most places in the faster, lower effort, climate controlled and more convenient alternative.

Oh I'm sorry, this is apparently a religious issue and faith with get me over all practical issues.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by stinos on Monday June 23, 2014 @08:04AM (#7931426)
cycling should work in the vast majority of the world and why cars don't

Nobody ever made this claim, so there's no way to illuminate you about it. Same goes for the part about the idiots and morons.

Which part exactly doesn't make sense

For instance the part where you say Is an inconvenient, slow, tiring way to travel in anyplace without a good climate or near perfect. That is merely a generalized opinion.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by bane on Monday June 23, 2014 @09:05AM (#7931682)
Yup, absolutely no illumination provided. Within this thread, I've provided support for the idea as well as anecdotes and data as to why more bike lanes won't get the average person on a bike. I've been downvoted and refuted with no particular counter argument leading me to believe that this is a religious issue and not a factual one. Bikers believe everybody should bike, and people who give reasons why they don't are summarily dismissed.

I'm sorry if I offended your religion.

Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by alphapapa on Monday June 23, 2014 @04:55PM (#7934604)
The dogmatic downvoting here is disappointing (no alliteration intended). You seem to be right. Reason doesn't work. I know there are reasonable cyclists, but few are speaking up here.
Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by alphapapa on Monday June 23, 2014 @06:03AM (#7931068)
Everything he said is simple truth. Your comment is the equivalent of, "Lalala I can't hear you." You can do better than argument by assertion.
Re:A New Bike Lane That Could Save Lives and Make Cycling Mo... by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday June 23, 2014 @07:52AM (#7931387)
> Everything he said is simple truth. ...You can do better than argument by assertion.

Why change now? It's assertions all the way down.