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Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by trebor on Monday June 16, 2014 @11:59AM (#7899702)
I don't like this. You can already see a lot of detail on these satellite photos. This is a huge breach of privacy. (Not that a 50cm lower limit isn't a breach of privacy.)
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by bluman on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:31PM (#7900303)
Effectively the resolution of commercial satellite imagery will be changing from 50cm to 40cm and then 25cm later this summer when WorldView-3 is online. This is vastly less commercial aerial photography which has been around 15cm for the last decade and increasingly around 7cm at affordable costs. I don't believe that satellite imagery will be getting much better due to quantum diffraction.

I'm not saying that this isn't a privacy issue it's just that the situation hasn't gotten appreciably worse because of this announcement.

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Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by mikecb on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:44PM (#7900719)
It was just relaxed. But Digital Globe doesn't yet have a bird in the air capable of it. In the fall they will, and it will be available to everyone.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by McDiesel on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:22PM (#7899840)
At some point you will just have to realize that this illusion of privacy you have is just that... an illusion.

Privacy exists in small pockets, and only in places that you control access to. Aside from that, you might as well consider it public.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by nitrogen on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:39PM (#7899954)
Thanks to drones and satellites, privacy no longer exists in private yards, even those with high fences lined with trees.

Thanks to infrared photography, structure-penetrating radar, cell phones, etc., privacy no longer exists indoors either.

This is not right.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by schoen on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:10PM (#7900138)
Interestingly, the U.S. Supreme Court surprised many people in 2001 by putting limits on government use of infrared imaging. (They didn't ban it entirely, but they said that it would be regulated as a search, normally requiring permission from a judge.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States

This means that police may not be able to routinely use imaging technologies, including active radars, to look through the walls of people's homes.

(Interestingly, this is a way in which police now have fewer powers than the general public, since in most places there are no laws preventing you as a civilian from using infrared imaging to look at someone's house.)

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by keithg on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:39PM (#7900360)
Presumably citizens are allowed because they don't have the power to charge & convict you of some alleged crime. If the citizen's imagery were somehow brought into a legal matter, then it would be up to the judge to determine its legality. Conversely and unfortunately, law enforcement and government seem to enjoy a defacto legality until someone says otherwise. By limiting their use of this technology, hopefully it mitigates the defacto and clandestine nature of it, bringing it at least to a level of awareness during legal proceedings.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by dublinben on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:50PM (#7900019)
>This is not right.

This is reality though. Our expectations of privacy must adjust to changes in technology.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by crusso on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:10PM (#7900140)
What is allowed with technology does not dictate what is right or even legal.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by McDiesel on Monday June 16, 2014 @04:44PM (#7901387)
It comes down to a simple concept. You change with progress or you get left behind.

Even when progress is, in your view, undesirable... our world isn't a private place anymore... our expectations of privacy will seem silly to future generations... its jus how things work. Right or wrong are abstract concepts, and the marching of time pays no attention to them.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by nitrogen on Monday June 16, 2014 @05:03PM (#7901464)
Only the truly privileged feel comfortable without privacy. Only once there is no such thing as an outcast, an undesirable, a freak, or a nerd, can a world without privacy be livable.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by hackuser on Monday June 16, 2014 @05:26PM (#7901567)
That assumes your vision is accurate, and that we have no control over our futures. Do only large computer industry companies get to decide the future?
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by dublinben on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:34PM (#7900660)
When has the law ever been able to prevent the use of technology?
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by crusso on Monday June 16, 2014 @06:01PM (#7901735)
If we just assumed that whatever could be done (with technology or otherwise) should be accepted, what would the point of laws be in the first place?

People have expectations that the FDA will ensure the safety and efficacy of their medicines. Consequently, there are medications that I can't have in the US because of the law.

People have expectations of a level of safety on the highways. The technology under the hood of my car allows me to reach speeds of at least 100, and the law effectively prevents me from using it.

There are many ways in which people have expectations that technology could subvert. Automatically changing our expectations to allow for any technologically possible breach of those expectations isn't currently the way we do things.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by ser_ocelot on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:59PM (#7900070)
Is there a suitable material for a lightweight "roof" you could put over your property that would block aerial photography but still allow sunlight and rain to penetrate?

One could even make it shielded against electromagnetic frequencies. No more drones hacking your wifi!

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by was_hellbanned on Monday June 16, 2014 @03:54PM (#7901102)
Is there a suitable material for a lightweight "roof" you could put over your property

Yes, well-placed trees, plants, and some lattice material.

I once visited the roof of the Limn building on Townsend in San Francisco. It turns out there was a lush garden, nice eating areas, and an Airstream trailer, all on the roof. Absolutely none of it was visible from the ground, and you'd be lucky to make out much of anything from overhead.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by bluman on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:48PM (#7900400)
Camouflage netting is perhaps the only surefire way to do this, although I'm sure that will attract far more attention than doing nothing at all. Something that would work kind of OK would be to create a large radiometric difference in your property like having a dark black roof and making your lawn as reflective as possible (white cement or gravel, swimming pool). That way when the imagery is processed in an automated fashion it will render your area badly. It still would be possible to go back to the original images and enhance the area manually but can be quite a chore.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by grkvlt on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:33PM (#7900654)
Build your property (partially) underground? Like this http://www.trendir.com/house-design/grass-roofed-home-built-... or similar. You'd need to deal with waste heat somehow for the infrared signature not to look suspicious. And ground-penetrating RADAR would pick you up as well, I expect.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by natosaichek on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:08PM (#7900528)
I think something like this would be cool: http://twistedsifter.com/2012/01/camouflage-cali-hiding-air-...
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by rwmj on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:07PM (#7899744)
Do you worry about people flying planes over your house, looking over your fence, etc?
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by makmanalp on Monday June 16, 2014 @12:21PM (#7899827)
It isn't unreasonable to be afraid of something becoming easy to the point of negligible, correlation of personal data across multiple databases as a result of mass data collection comes to mind.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by trebor on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:23PM (#7900241)
What worries me more is what kind of corporate espionage these satellite images will be put to use for. They've been able to see the car(s) in a driveway for awhile now. But imagine: now they can pay to see what the most popular cars are in a geographical region; they can look at your deck and determine furniture brands; they can see you sunbathing; they can see what you play with, etc. No longer is it just "buying habits" but they can, en masse, buy the rights to psychoanalyze your lifestyle base on what they see from the outside of your house.

I'm pretty certain that a company paying a team of photographers to stalk the average citizen to psychoanalyze their world would be creepy, if not illegal. But this is exactly what they will be doing—and we'll have no ability to "outrun" their team of photographers. Technically, we won't even know when they're overhead.

And that does bother me.

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by toomuchtodo on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:31PM (#7900647)
Write an app to calculate orbital elements and pop up an alert: "Imaging object arriving over horizon, take action"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Other countries have done this for years, and cover their equipment with camo cover when opposing country assets are overhead. This is why the Air Force/Boeing X-37B is such a big deal; its an asset that can shift orbits to counterattack known orbit information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/X_37B_Gets_Stranger_999.ht...

Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by shiven on Monday June 16, 2014 @01:08PM (#7900131)
For all the browbeating about erosion of privacy, I have yet to come across practical, consumer-proof solutions to anything that protects against said loss of privacy. Digital, software, hardware anything? The only solutions out there are range from impractical to ludicrous. Go hoodies, go Tor, go klutzy-PGP, go burkas!! /sigh
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by dublinben on Monday June 16, 2014 @02:32PM (#7900649)
If you're worried about satellites and black helicopters, I think you've already left the realm of practicality. You might as well toss up the camo netting and don your tinfoil hat.
Re:US lifts restrictions on more detailed satellite images by hackuser on Monday June 16, 2014 @05:22PM (#7901550)
> For all the browbeating about erosion of privacy, I have yet to come across practical, consumer-proof solutions

Agreed. And with few technical options, the solutions must be legal.