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Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by drblast on Monday June 02, 2014 @09:44PM (#7837690)
The thought occurred to me while reading this that there are probably lots of 33-year-old non-virgins who nevertheless have not had the caring relationship this man wants. I think the sex is irrelevant.

Although I'd have to advise this guy to just go get laid so it's not a sticking point in his relationships. And it's just fun. Go have fun with someone. It's sex, not a rocket launch.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by haberdash on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:09PM (#7837766)
Throwaway.

Correct for part. I'm in a similar situation, but only 28. Five years to go. Twelve to a movie.

In my mind—and this is entirely anecdotal—sex and relationships are merely a checkpoint for the life of a person. It's nothing more than a signifier, of which people place a negative connotation on being a virgin. I'm not here by choice, but by inability to progress against these signifiers.

While I agree with your point about the sex being irrelevant, the entirety of the statement of "It's sex" framed as a triviality is dead wrong. I, and I assume most other virgins, have severe issues with dealing with social cues. When you say "someone" who is that? Is it someone at the bar? A friendly glance at work? I can't tell. I'm pretty bad at learning social cues. I'm not sure where to do them. Or at who.

And because I'm bad at learning those social cues, I'm afraid to be forward. A friend who was sexually harassed at work gave me the advice to try a small company because "they have more relationships between coworkers there." It's somewhat irrelevant advice given how tone-deaf I am to general human interactions. Kind of ironic too, considering I probably couldn't tell the difference between harmless office flirting and sexual harassment. Which is why it's precluded in my mind.

Much like T.H. White's Merlin, I realize my doom, but am unable to change it. I'm guessing it's a chemical issue with my locus of control.

EDIT: I spend a majority of my free time in the gym. I'm very fit, so it's not a matter of appearance. Minus any crazy expression on my face.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by 34yearold on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:41PM (#7837868)
Also on a throwaway with only six years until the movie. I never understood why people make such a big deal over this. It's far more important to me to have it be the right person and time than to do it just because everybody else says you should.

I'm fully cognizant of the fact that the right person and the right time may never come. I'm okay with that.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by SoDisposable on Monday June 02, 2014 @11:29PM (#7837986)
Throwaway; I'm 14 years away from the movie and I couldn't agree more with this point. I still have yet to have sex, any physical relations (cuddling, holding hands etc), have a girlfriend, or really feel real emotional attraction towards another person in a romantic capacity (as I understand it), and yet I feel perfectly fulfilled and don't at all question my masculinity. I used to get upset about not having a gf / being a virgin, but then I realized that my emotions were mostly driven by a desire to conform to some arbitrary social metric of success. Once I realized that, I stopped caring and have been far happier, less stressed, and more social.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by mercer on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @08:46AM (#7839758)
I'm inclined to agree with you personally.

That said, I came to see relationships and the intimacy that comes with it as very valuable once I 'tried' it, despite the fact that said relationships were, to a large degree, painful. I learned a tremendous amount from them, and there were a lot of benefits I didn't really understand before.

My approach is that something I haven't tried before is worth trying, especially if it's a 'common' thing. But at the same time I feel doing so because it's a 'common' thing is not the best of motivations.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by SoDisposable on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:26AM (#7840742)
> My approach is that something I haven't tried before is worth trying, especially if it's a 'common' thing. But at the same time I feel doing so because it's a 'common' thing is not the best of motivations.

I agree and am certainly open to being in a relationship if I find someone that I am interested in. The biggest barrier to entry for me has been finding people that I like honestly. I actually have difficulty conceptualizing what it means to "like" someone (although I assume the feeling is significantly different from friendship and exponentially 'more pleasurable' than friendship).

> I learned a tremendous amount from them, and there were a lot of benefits I didn't really understand before.

Would you mind elaborating?

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by mercer on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @09:02AM (#7845279)
In no particular order:

I learned a lot of uncomfortable stuff about my behavior in a short time

These were things that I had never noticed before, despite being a very introspective, reflective person (and a psychologist to boot). And I think the relationship was key to that. While my friendships also uncover new truths about myself, I can generally keep things as superficial as I desire, and I have a lot of control over when to see my friends, in what context, and for how long. Relationships (generally) have a tendency to break out of those patterns, uncovering a lot in a short time.

This has proved so beneficial that I don't even regret some of the truly toxic and emotionally harrowing situations I've been in. No pain, no gain, I guess.

For certain things of varying importance, I could rely on my 'significant other'. A form of symbiosis, I guess

I am not a practical or very, uh, physical man. When I'm caught up in something, I forget to eat (or eat healthily), I forget to do my laundry or clean my house, I forget to meet friends (either for my benefit, theirs, or both of ours), or I forget to even just go outside.

And once I break out of this obsession, I often realize in hindsight that it wasn't always worth forgetting that other stuff. And yet I keep doing this, and from looking at my father, this is quite possibly something I cannot break out of without significant effort. Effort that I'd rather spend on other things.

When I was in a relationship with someone who was different enough in these regards, but similar enough to not cause too much friction, my life improved immensely, including the efficacy of the targets of my obsessions. It turns out a balanced life is usually better :).

While this might be an extreme example and you might not identify with this, I think most people have their blind spots, and while my previous point could arguably be 'solved' by fixing the flaws, it is much harder (and perhaps less desirable) to 'fix' these personality traits.

Sex, physical intimacy, and a direct 'responsibility' to another person is generally a fundamental aspect of being human

I am happy alone. Truly happy. I also probably have a lower libido than most. I don't understand people who can't be alone or need sex all the time and will put up with terrible partners or consequences to achieve this.

And yet, I learned that while I am perhaps unusual in this regard, it's quite likely that to some degree I learned to be happy alone, and I learned to be happy without having sex very often, but this might not be my ideal state. And experimenting in this regard has given me a more nuanced view of myself, where I realize that the hug I get might be exactly the one I needed, even though I didn't feel like that before I got the hug (for example).

The bottom-line is that I've known many people in relationships and I've known many people without them. Happiness is perhaps as closely related to being in one or the other category as we often think, but there is a relation, in my opinion.

'Norms' can be at the very least informative as to what is likely a healthy approach. And my personal experience with people who have no (romantic) relationships, or for that matter people who have no friends, is that especially later in life they seem to grow in a way that does not seem to make them happier. More successful perhaps, or more valuable to society, but often obviously (to me) less happy. Loneliness is a terrible affliction, and can sneak up on you.

Whether you want to take the risk of being 'on your own' (in whichever particular form you choose) depends partly on your desired outcome, of course. Newton was a recluse, but perhaps he lived the most fulfilling and happy life he could have led, and at the very least he was very important to the world (in my opinion).

For me, I don't want to take such a risk without having experimented with the alternatives. I might very well choose to remain alone for much of my life, but at least I have (some) idea of what I might be missing out on, and some experience and skill to reconsider my choices later (which can be hard if you have no experience in this regard).

That said, I'm still young and I might be full of shit... :-). Ask me again in a few decades!

(also, perhaps the key point is that I didn't always greatly desire a relationship and I didn't always like the person. Especially the first time, it was a conscious choice to try something big, new, and potentially dangerous, but less dangerous than I had initially thought).

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by haberdash on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:46PM (#7837883)
We're chasing each other's posts.

I find it interesting you're interested looking for the correct situation. Have you turned down prior situations where it didn't meet what you were looking for?

I'm quite a bit more broken than an average person—I don't think I could wait for a "right" anything.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by throwmeaway001 on Monday June 02, 2014 @11:36PM (#7838003)
Also a throwaway.

I am in the same situation as you. It took me a while to realise it, but I am not good at understanding certain cues and I have no idea what to do about it. I always need to correct my perceptions. E.g "That woman is probably being really friendly because she's just friendly. She's probably not interested." At one point I got quite depressed. Eventually, still curious about sex, I just hired a sex worker. It's legal here and I save a lot of money being single.

At this point I have mostly resigned myself to the reality that I'll probably be single for the rest of my life.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by jacquesm on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @06:12AM (#7839132)
> It's nothing more than a signifier, of which people place a negative connotation on being a virgin.

That's strongly correlated with age. Below a certain age it is expected that you are a virgin, then there is a gray area and then above a certain age it is expected that your not.

Because we define 'normal' as 'what everybody does' being an outlier in this is perceived as negative, as if there is something wrong with you. That does not mean there is (or isn't), it just means that's how it will be perceived, it's a strike against that only gets stronger as you age.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by haberdash on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:00PM (#7843799)
Yes, I agree with you. I doubted anyone would read that much into it, despite the plain existential angst as a backdrop.

The conflation of normal and normative reaches into Wittgensteinian territory, but normative is normal. Hell, even the good end of a bell curve can be seen as a bad thing.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by dnautics on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:24PM (#7837805)
You should be afraid to be forward. You could get accused of sexual harassment. It's totally incredible that someone who was sexually harassed at work gave you advice to "try a small company", because that is completely reckless advice and can lead to potentially illegal behavior.

Edit: I mean incredible in the colloquial sense, not the literal ("I don't believe you") sense.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by haberdash on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:38PM (#7837854)
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what's going on with that. It might have been facetious, we tend to joke about each other.

I'll have to ask her about it tomorrow. There was one thing for her even worse than that, which would make her recommendation even more incredible to you. We're good enough friends to talk about things like that, I wonder if she's projecting her internal views of me on to other people.

No more about my friend, please. I feel wrong alluding to these situations.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by dpeck on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:07PM (#7837754)
That is actually pretty terrible advice for a lot of people. Not everyone can/wants to separate sex from intimacy and that can lead to quite a few problems as well.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by throwaway2719 on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:40PM (#7837864)
Indeed. To me, sex is the ultimate intimacy and I can't really imagine doing it on a casual basis, nor do I think I'd enjoy that very much. Sex as an expression of deep commitment to another person is one of the best experiences two people can share. But I can empathize with the subject in the OP. After several painful breakups and the ultimate, a failed marriage, I'm done with it. I don't care if I ever have sex again. I'm not getting back on that roller coaster, the pleasure is not worth the pain.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by indrax on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @12:34AM (#7838170)
If it's that bad, you need to take that as evidence that your attitudes of sex lead to problems, not the advice to have fun.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by jacquesm on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @06:15AM (#7839145)
Consider that he may just have had a streak of bad luck rather than to jump to conclusions. Life can be pretty harsh and if you're hit with a series of blows then it is natural to try to avoid further blows, it is way out of line to point to that as 'evidence' that you have an attitude problem. That's the sort of thing reserved for people who have never had a streak of bad luck, which is great but that does not mean it holds across the board. Shit really does happen, and some people have more of it in their lives than they deserve. Note that I'm explicitly not talking about myself here, but I have some examples in my circle of friends that have received a disproportionate amount of bad luck and I can see how it affects them. Some are lucky, some are unlucky, it can't be helped and is no proof of 'attitude' or anything like that without knowing a lot more about the individual.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by indrax on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @02:23PM (#7841897)
Evidence is not proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_under_Bayes_theorem

It could be that none of his bad situation is the result of his preferences, but his situation shouldn't be ignored either. You have to be able to consider that you did something unwise in order to take hints from the environment.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by nybblet on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @01:43PM (#7841643)
throwaway2719's main point also seems to be that for some people, sex is not just fun and games, but entails some sort of emotional closeness. If your position is that you should just go have fun sex as you wish, then that seems completely fine as long as your partners are on board.

Conversely, the logical extension is that you should be on board with your partners freely having fun sex, with whomever they desire.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by mercer on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @09:16AM (#7845335)
Indeed, but I think you can read 'sex is irrelevant' in multiple ways (not necessarily as part of the above comment).

For example, I was recently in a situation where I felt no sex drive whatsoever, but greatly valued the intimacy of the particular relationship that was developing. The lack of sex drive had little to do with the partner's attractiveness, it just wasn't there. I have that sometimes.

Since for me 'sex was irrelevant', but for her sex and intimacy (understandably) went together, we talked about this and found a happy middle ground where we could share intimacy, and I could 'give her' sexual satisfaction without caring too much for it myself. In fact, I could do this precisely because I didn't care too much, and I was absolutely willing to do her a 'favor' (and it wasn't entirely unenjoyable to me, of course).

At some point she wanted a bit more mutual sexual desire, so our arrangement changed. Because we talked about it, this went quite smoothly and to this day there is a lot of intimacy (within the bounds of what is situationally desirable). I don't think we'd have gotten to that point if we had not had a whole bunch of good conversations about the exact relationship between sex and intimacy in the context of our 'partnership'.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by colmvp on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:01PM (#7837731)
Not that I think you are implying this but it's not easy for everyone to get laid.

I could elaborate on that point but my thinking is that this submission is going to get kicked off the front page so it seems futile.

Also if you read his story he writes: "Every girl I’ve ever cared for has rejected me." So it's not like he didn't try.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by c23gooey on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:13PM (#7837777)
yet then he goes on to say his last big rejection was 15 years ago.

if he is holding on to the hurt from that long ago, im not surprised there is no one who wants to get intimate with him.

Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by 2muchcoffeeman on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:23PM (#7837803)
To be fair, most women are probably not going to reject you in front of tens of other people, frame you for a bomb scare and then call your mom to say that that they hung out with you out of pity. His standards for 'big' are perhaps higher than yours or mine.
Re:The 33-year-old virgin: Life without sex is only torturou... by colmvp on Monday June 02, 2014 @10:53PM (#7837906)
Last big rejection != last rejection