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Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non-trivial".

Any time I hear someone mutter "non-trivial" a little piece of me dies inside. What other art/profession uses that word?

I can't imagine an automotive engineer describing a new car engine as non-trivial or a painter describing his work as non-trivial.

Anyways, what words wind you guys up?

Edit: Happy Monday, btw.

( 37 comments | 5 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by gdp on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:16AM (#782144)
I have to step in here to defend "non-trivial".

Perhaps it is abused as a term by the population at large, but I'm reasonably sure it has its roots in theoretical computer science and maths. It has a meaning that is distinct from "complex". It means that something requires something more than pure mechanical verification or straightforward inspection.

A painter could use "non-trivial" in a sensible way. How much effort is involved in X? Well, it's non-trivial, because it involves more than having a look. It isn't estimating the effort, it is instead a binary classification - trivial and non-trivial.

Finally, to answer your question, I don't dislike individual words. I only dislike them once they are combined into sentences.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by DanielStraight on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:26AM (#782174)
I'm a big fan of "non-trivial" myself, especially after reading http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2007/07/17/understanding_engine...
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by billswift on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:02PM (#782586)
Non-trivial is important in mathematics. But I especially like it when used for humorous understatement; "Re-implementing Microsoft Office would be a non-trivial effort."
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by yan on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:19AM (#782152)
Enterprise.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by MikeMacMan on Monday August 24, 2009 @12:08PM (#782443)
And its evil twin, Mission Critical
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jacquesm on Monday August 24, 2009 @04:11PM (#783182)
Ah, but Mission Critical actually has a place. When you're working for NASA, you operate a nuclear plant or some other outfit like that.

Everywhere else it's just pretending you do something important.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jacquesm on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:03AM (#782119)
paradigm shift

leverage

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by billswift on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:04PM (#782591)
Leverage is often irritatingly misused, but can be useful.

Paradigm shift - someone should invent a time machine and go back to shoot Kuhn's mother before he was born.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jacquesm on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:07PM (#782607)
For that to happen we'd need a parad-- never mind.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by wlievens on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:12PM (#782619)
I absolutely loathe leverage.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by gaius on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:46AM (#782228)
Idempotent.

But non-trivial does have a specific meaning: it means that we don't have any code already written or proven technique that we can simply reuse for or apply to this problem, and some new knowledge will have to be synthesized, and there's a risk in making any estimates of time/cost until more is known.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by chuffwaffle on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:26PM (#782669)
What's wrong with idempotent? It has a precise, useful meaning
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by gaius on Monday August 24, 2009 @03:36PM (#783072)
It's often misused. Along with orthogonal.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by Chronos on Wednesday August 26, 2009 @10:35PM (#788518)
shudder We have a business relationship with a financial company based out of Germany, and their system (which sits on top of replicated Oracle) defines "idempotent" to mean "our database already has a cache of the answer we already gave you". Oh, and they gave us a JAR file of client code that does client-side failover, with a fixed 8-second delay to account for the Oracle replication lag between sites. No coordination between different instances of our client. So now, when one client fails over due to a connectivity blip, the other clients get cached error messages (logically equivalent to 404 Not Found). "Idempotent", indeed.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by RiderOfGiraffes on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:08AM (#782131)
Quantum, in almost any context. I do use non-trivial, but I'm a mathematician, and I refer you to Feynman's comments about tthe use of 'trivial'.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by TallGuyShort on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:06AM (#782123)
It's not limited to tech people, but I do hear them say it a lot: "irregardless".

edit: Oh and let's not forget Scott Adam's favorite: Synergy

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by DanWood on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:53AM (#782250)
"irregarldess" burns my ears, too. I also want to fight when I hear someone say "often times" (redundant) or "I don't disagree with you" (passive-aggressive double negative)
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by zackola on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:17AM (#782149)
kludge synergy/synergistic/synergize proactive xml
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jacquesm on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:39AM (#782210)
No, not kludge, please :)

It's one of the best tech words out there, it is very specific and there is no other good way of saying it without using a whole pile of words.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by zackola on Monday August 24, 2009 @11:02AM (#782264)
It is a good word. I'm not saying people shouldn't use it. It is an ugly, ugly word to me - I hate the sound of it, which is part of why it is my least favorite. It's one of those words that sound like what they mean to me. What is that called anyway? Not onomatopoeia.

I also tend to hate it because I can tell before even starting to fix the kludge, it's likely to involve an large overhaul instead of a small bug fix.

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jacquesm on Monday August 24, 2009 @11:06AM (#782280)
I think that's how most kludges are born. Someone is given the assignment to repair something, they figure out that it will take them way too much time doing it the 'proper' way (their boss might simply not give them a time budget large enough to fix it well) so they resort to a kludge.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by bddbbdb on Tuesday August 25, 2009 @05:13PM (#785881)
Tech/business jargon: "leverage" (when used as a verb) anywhere: "utilize" (when used as a word)
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jlintz on Thursday August 27, 2009 @12:41AM (#788638)
"the cloud" please make it go away, it's totally the next buzzword to replace 'web 2.0'
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by ganley on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:27AM (#782177)
There's a joke that when an engineer says 'nontrivial,' he means 'impossible.'
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by billswift on Monday August 24, 2009 @01:06PM (#782603)
The joke I heard was that it meant he didn't want to be bothered about it.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by moe on Monday August 24, 2009 @09:43PM (#783903)
Turnkey Solution

(My brain always translates to turkey inducing...)

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by davidw on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:33AM (#782197)
"Trivial" itself can sound quite snotty, said in the right way.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by screwLoose on Monday August 24, 2009 @02:22PM (#782858)
'webinar' has been annoying me for years now.
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by Maro on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:41AM (#782217)
synergy

(Go watch 'In good company')

Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by michaelcampbell on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:46AM (#782227)
"Configurable"
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by odvious on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:30AM (#782187)
revolutionary
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by lamby on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:18AM (#782151)
"Realtime"
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by yagibear on Monday August 24, 2009 @05:24PM (#783408)
disambiguate
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by jsm386 on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:40AM (#782213)
dead simple
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by yannis on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:41AM (#782215)
Erlang!
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by tdonia on Monday August 24, 2009 @10:08AM (#782129)
savvy
Re:Ask HN: What's your least favorite tech word? Mine's "non... by electronslave on Monday August 24, 2009 @03:38PM (#783076)
Drill. Like "drill down".

It seems that trepanation might be a good response to someone using this word.

"Could you drill down into my data set and shift some paradigms?" "Yes, and while I'm at it, I'll equalize your humours." WHIRR "Indeed."