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Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by hga on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:20AM (#7749220)
If you don't learn your math tables by rote memorization, how are you ever going to be adept at algebra or anything based on it?

If you can't just look at something like 2x = 4y and instantly simply it....

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by tzs on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:30AM (#7749995)
> If you don't learn your math tables by rote memorization, how are you ever going to be adept at algebra or anything based on it?

Common Core includes memorization of tables. For instance, it explicitly calls for knowing from memory all products of two one-digit numbers by the end of Grade 3. By the time the students get to algebra, they'll be ready for simplifying 2x=4y.

What is covered in each grade is given here: http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

A lot of the criticism I've read of it seems to be from people who have been comparing grade X of CC (where X is the grade their kid is in) to what they remember learning in grade X when they were a kid, and conclude that CC does not teach the things they learned in grade X. In fact, it often does teach those things--just in a different grade, or later in the grade X year.

Note that I'm NOT saying CC is better than prior K-12 math programs. I'm just saying that comparisons should be done between CC and prior programs by comparing them as K-12 programs, not by comparing them for specific grades.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by hga on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:35AM (#7750034)
That's good, not to mention better than I expected ^_^.

But I'm replying to all those who denounce rote memorization in whatever context, and claim this is not necessary to be good at math (or for a very large fraction of children, phonics, in order to later read well).

(It's something I've recently gotten really focused on, after a sister-in-law asked for help: one of her kids is great with numbers (even deduced negative numbers on his own, and asked her what they meant), but the eldest just cannot memorize the math tables, and we're despairing about what to do.)

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by kasey_junk on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:35AM (#7749292)
It's anecdotal I know, but for me the math table rote memorization was extremely detrimental to my learning of mathematics. It forced a mind set that implied that to be good at math you needed to be able to remember senseless unrelated facts, when in reality most of the advanced mathematics this will lead you completely astray as you cannot keep every formula in your head and it is much better to be able to derive them.

The book A Mathematician's Lament really registered with me due to this experience.

So, while I don't know enough about educational theory or the Common Core mathematics curriculum specifically to say for sure that it is better than rote memorization, I can say my bias makes me think nothing could be worse.

The math practices I see elementary school kids doing under Common Core seems to be way more like "real" mathematics than what I did at that age.

I will say, I worry about the population of elementary school teachers who are asked to implement this, as a generalization they are the least likely to have taken advanced mathematics in university.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by hga on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:43AM (#7749332)
It certainly has its detriments, but my point still stands: if you go into Algebra I without knowing your math tables, you're going to hit a brick wall.

"Motivation" at a higher sense is something that's sorely lacking in US public school (free government school) math. Especially prior to real algebra, the teachers tend to be generalists who don't know to tell you "you need to learn X so you can learn Y which will allow you to solve problems like Z" and of course get you to understand why Z is neat and important. But that's a different sort of problem that just not making sure all students capable have the foundation they need.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by DanBC on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:58AM (#7749419)
You're kind of missing the point.

Rote memorization of times tables doesn't lead to understanding. So, early in the learning process, you give children techniques that give correct answers, boost confidence and increase understanding of what is actually happening.

Thus when they see 4x = 2y they'll know that 4x means 4 xs and 2y means 2 ys.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by kasey_junk on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:53AM (#7749388)
Actually, I think that for most students they hit a wall in Algebra regardless of how they learned basic mathematical operations. This wall has to do with abstraction of principles not with mechanical operation speed.

If what we are trying to teach is this abstraction, then the rote table method is arbitrary* and a time sync. The students will still learn basic sums over time, it just won't be the focus of the practice.

*For instance, my education with the tables went up to 12s. Why in the world did we choose 12? 16 would have certainly helped me out more.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by sitkack on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:58AM (#7749785)
I have 0x65 problems and knowing 12*11 from memory doesn't solve any of them.
Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by sitkack on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:56AM (#7749770)
Rote solves everything and nothing. Faster time to correct answer, yet no understanding of solution. I'd rather have people who can reason and fumble through a problem than can rattle off memorized facts.
Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by lclarkmichalek on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:38AM (#7749300)
I used a calculator the other day to do 73 - 52, yet I can pass a third year university algebra course. Sure, tables are useful, but they are very far from the be-all-end-all of primary school education, which they very much were for me when I was younger (you were good or bad at maths based on how good you were at your times-tables, which is hardly a good way to motivate people who enjoy mathematics, but don't excel at rote memorisation)
Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by sitkack on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:52AM (#7749743)
That diagram was teaching the fungibility of numbers. Afaik CC doesn't say that these things _must_ be taught this way.

To solve your problem with the same technique as the article, you would have added 1 to 52, 73 - 53 = 20, then + 1 for the answer.

You would need to know ball park anyway to see if the calculator answer made sense.

Re:2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math by basch on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:21AM (#7749937)
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/5-year-...

You don't need arithmetic to learn pattern recognition.