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Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by willholloway on Thursday May 15, 2014 @07:16AM (#7748773)
I use a Seiki 50" 4K display for coding and it was a revelation. I love all the bezel-free screen real estate and I would never go back.

For watching full screen video, I just drop the resolution down to 1920x1080 to overcome the 30hz limitation the display currently has.

More competition in the ~50" 4K space is welcome news.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by othello on Thursday May 15, 2014 @08:59AM (#7749114)
How far do you sit from the display ? Do you simply use it as a substitute for a multiple-display setup or do you sit further away from the screen?
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by xur17 on Thursday May 15, 2014 @08:13AM (#7748961)
I use a 39" 4k Seiki, and I've been very happy with it too. Paid $420 about a month ago (it's $500 from Amazon right now), and it's a pretty amazing amount of real estate without a bezel. 30hz is a little annoying for some tasks, but for coding and other static applications, it really doesn't bother me.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by dmm on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:11AM (#7749169)
If you flash the 39" with the 50" firmware you get true 120Hz at 1080p. It also changes the scaling to a simple 1 pixel to 4.

Anybody considering the Seiki should know that it uses an unusual pixel format, BGR. So to get subpixel rendering to work be sure to run the subpixel setup program if you use windows or configure fontconfig if you use linux.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by xhrpost on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:35AM (#7749287)
I've recently done the same. Still trying to get my work environment set up decently. We need some sort of user group for people doing 4k programming to exchange ideas, tools, methods, etc.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by alex_c on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:49AM (#7750130)
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by silasb on Thursday May 15, 2014 @09:58AM (#7749416)
What do you mean "without a bezel," do you just take it off?
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by Bud on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:20AM (#7749539)
He means without the several sets of bezels you'd normally have from the normal way of getting this much screen area, i.e., by having several monitors.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by RobotCaleb on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:40AM (#7749653)
How does one handle window placement in a single monitor setup like that? I quite often use Windows' fill right, fill left, maximize, fill height options for window arrangement.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by michaelbuckbee on Thursday May 15, 2014 @02:12PM (#7751173)
When I got my Seiki I basically tried all of the different Mac Window managers, most of them were immediately out of the running as they couldn't support a large enough grid to make sense (2x2 was the standard). With Divvy I could set up a 6x6 grid which is perfect as you can easily set global shortcuts to treat it as either a 3x3 grid or a 2x3 grid with your keyboard shortcuts on the Command and Numpad (see image) http://imgur.com/3E474eP This is awesome as you don't have to really 'remember' a bunch of shortcuts as the keyboard grids look just like what your screen grids are.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by robterrell on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:39AM (#7750063)
For Mac OS X, check out Moom (on the Mac App Store). It lets you arrange windows in various nice ways via clicks or keystrokes.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by wmf on Thursday May 15, 2014 @12:22PM (#7750410)
I second the recommendation of Moom; its grid layout can go beyond the 2x2 that most other tools support and its window snapshot restoration is great for laptops.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by wernercd on Thursday May 15, 2014 @01:36PM (#7750932)
http://winsplit-revolution.com/ is a good option.

Haven't tried others because this has been simple to setup and has easy shortcuts that use cntrl+alt+keypad to move window into various spots.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by RobotCaleb on Thursday May 15, 2014 @02:10PM (#7751153)
Thanks, I'll check it out.

(15 minutes later)

Okay, this is great. It just works. Thanks for the recommendation.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by alex_c on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:36AM (#7750038)
I use a 39" Seiki with my MacBook, and managing windows is a relatively minor but real annoyance. I just drag and resize manually, and usually end up with overlapping windows of different sizes all over the place. I still love the display and would never go back, but it feels like I'm not using it quite as effectively as I could.

I suspect this is a gap that will be filled pretty quickly once these monitors become more common.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by pwython on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:50AM (#7750134)
Have you tried BetterSnapTool? It's one of the most useful apps I use. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bettersnaptool/id417375580?m...
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by math0ne on Thursday May 15, 2014 @02:06PM (#7751123)
Check out divvy: https://mizage.com/divvy/
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by sixothree on Thursday May 15, 2014 @12:03PM (#7750243)
And on Windows running both AllSnap and AllSnap64 help me a great deal, even though I'm still on smaller monitors.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by dlevine on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:44AM (#7750096)
I use SizeUp for Mac. It lets you resize windows and move them between monitors/spaces
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by rane on Thursday May 15, 2014 @02:41PM (#7751358)
Possibly with this, https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

> Tiling window manager for OS X similar to xmonad

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by dublinben on Thursday May 15, 2014 @12:41PM (#7750572)
Presumably using a tiling window manager would solve that problem entirely. The window management in Windows/OS X is positively archaic compared to what you can get in Linux these days.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by math0ne on Thursday May 15, 2014 @02:05PM (#7751115)
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by pedrocr on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:05AM (#7749462)
>For watching full screen video, I just drop the resolution down to 1920x1080 to overcome the 30hz limitation the display currently has.

Why is 30hz a limitation for video? Most video is 24 or 30fps, so 30hz should be fine, no? I can see 30hz being a limitation for gaming but you wouldn't be able to get good fps at 4K resolution anyway. So basically you should be able to run this at 4K all the time.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by reitzensteinm on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:16AM (#7749519)
24fps video on a 30hz display isn't going to be smooth. Every fourth frame of the video will last for twice as long as the rest.

I haven't seen it in person - one of the downsides of being in rural New Zealand is no friends with cool toys :) - but I've seen much less severe problems on paper be quite nasty.

In game development, my day job, the industry has recently been cracking down on micro stutter, where even randomly skipped single frames at 60fps can destroy the appearance of smoothness.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by pedrocr on Thursday May 15, 2014 @10:34AM (#7749626)
>24fps video on a 30hz display isn't going to be smooth. Every fourth frame of the video will last for twice as long as the rest.

I see what you mean. Doesn't the HDMI standard have a way to fix this? It could just have a mode where you have 30 frames per second sent to the screen with the indication of which 60hz or even 120hz timeslot to use them in. It might need a little more/faster memory in the screen but should work fine.

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by dmm on Thursday May 15, 2014 @11:19AM (#7749928)
That sounds like what Nvidia's G-Sync does. A in-monitor computer buffers frames and displays them at a rate specified by the computer.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7436/nvidias-gsync-attempting-...

Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by pedrocr on Thursday May 15, 2014 @03:28PM (#7751636)
It sounds like it indeed. Although that particular implementation won't go below 30hz so wouldn't fix this particular case.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by wmf on Thursday May 15, 2014 @04:29PM (#7752049)
In that case you can display movies at 48 Hz.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by TomatoTomato on Thursday May 15, 2014 @12:08PM (#7750273)
Just change the refresh to 24Hz. Many modern video players will do this for you when you initiate full-screen mode.
Re:Xiaomi launches 49-inch 4K TV for $640 by alexkiritz on Thursday May 15, 2014 @08:57PM (#7753197)
That completely contradicts my experience and everything else I've read from others.

Less than 60 hz is generally annoying when trying to use a screen as a monitor because of cursor lag, but almost all video is at 30 fps or less so 30 hz is fine for video.