Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by sargun on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @03:23PM
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So, I wouldn't use this box because it doesn't ECC Memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory). Google some years ago did a study on DRAM errors in the wild, in order to determine if there was an actual need for ECC in modern datacenters / distributed computing applications (http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf). The short summary was that yes, they did need it.
It bums me a out a little bit that there is only a 1G fabric on these, when each board has two mini-PCIe ports, which is at 2Gbit/sec, and make a ring topology out of them, or using a PCIe switch. Another interesting approach could have been a usb 3 fabric.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by jcastro on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @03:51PM
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Yeah these aren't really intended for real workloads, it's to spin up a team of people with a self contained box that replicates what a real OpenStack deployment would look like.
So the idea there is you play with this is two days of training and then two weeks for your team to learn OpenStack while you're getting the real hardware ready, etc.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by tzabal on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @10:22AM
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Very nice. I like the idea of this "HDK" as the post mentions. It would be useful in case that you want to conduct an experiment and use this HDK as your platform, and provide an easy way for others to fully understand your environment and test your results, eliminating any other factors.
In the same spirit, recently I found LittleFe [1]. I think it is now abandoned (based on the fact the the copyright message is still 2012 and the latest item in news was posted in March 2012), but it seems to be a good project.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by HCIdivision17 on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @11:03AM
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Is there any estimate of the cost of this unit? This is the sort of thing that would make it very easy to set up and run in an industrial facility. Normally we don't have access to software devs, but could really use a solid hackable platform for process analysis. Having a single unit by a brand name would make requsitioning a system far easier from a Purchasing standpoint.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by HCIdivision17 on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @11:23AM
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Ah, thanks! I feel a little silly having overlooked that link. Pretty nice, considering the minimal cooling needs and raw power. I feel like this is exactly the sort of rugged, simplified system needed for use in a plant.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by iamtew on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @05:40PM
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We use Poweredge VRTX systems in our branch offices to run minor stuff. It's not too pricey compared to this Orange Box and it's an easy way to replace what in some cases could be almost a full cabinet of systems in to 5U space.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by mey on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @07:13PM
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Is there a similar designed solution that combines say 10 cheaper SOC (raspberry pi's?) and a 100mb network?
I would love to play with clustering setups at home, but almost ~$13k USD is way over my hobby budget. My only option currently is really visualization for learning.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by tealeg on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @05:46PM
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Well - RAID is more or a traditional architecture solution than a cloud one. A cloud storage solution like Ceph provides redundancy across nodes, and I've even read that they strongly discourage the use of RAID. Still, the orange box is a homogenous architecture that can be used flexibly as a training and introduction tool - I've not heard anyone suggest you run it as your production cloud. If you go and spec a real cloud you'll find vendors will provide different configuration for designated storage and compute nodes.
Re:The Orange Box: Cloud for the Free Man
by le_meta on Tuesday May 13, 2014 @05:43PM
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Finally, I always wanted a botnet and spaceheater in one. Sure, this is about 10 times what the actual value is, but no price is too great to pay for Freedom.
Given that the processors (http://ark.intel.com/products/64903/Intel-Core-i5-3427U-Proc...) that are on these NUCs don't support ECC, I would probably avoid these units for any real workload.
It bums me a out a little bit that there is only a 1G fabric on these, when each board has two mini-PCIe ports, which is at 2Gbit/sec, and make a ring topology out of them, or using a PCIe switch. Another interesting approach could have been a usb 3 fabric.
So the idea there is you play with this is two days of training and then two weeks for your team to learn OpenStack while you're getting the real hardware ready, etc.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Box
http://bilder.t-online.de/b/46/06/03/00/id_46060300/tid_da/i...
[1] http://littlefe.net
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-vrtx/pd
Edit: Oh yeah and it supports ECC memory, to address the comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7740087
I would love to play with clustering setups at home, but almost ~$13k USD is way over my hobby budget. My only option currently is really visualization for learning.
10 nodes @ 1 disk per node = 1 drive loss kills the node
It seems you can only buy 'extra' disks for 4 of the 10 nodes, which makes disk redundancy across all nodes impossible.
I suppose I just think its neat and a production-ready version would be nice.
No quite what you want, but it'll do the job.
[1] https://protonet.info/en/product/